[Foundation-l] Fwd: Localisation of MediaWiki

Tue Jan 15 10:45:12 UTC 2008

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Gerald, I have no idea why you mailed me privately and in that mail
you didn't respond any of my specific questions.

I think I tried to ask politely LangCom for the inconsistency in
GeraldM's messages and ask GeraldM himself to clarify what is his
standpoint?

In this context what means a privately sent mail?

In both points a reasonable public clear response in an appropriate
manner will be appreciated.

On Jan 15, 2008 6:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> The policy was recently changed. All the languages that were at that time
> approved or were in the process of being approved do not have to comply with
> the new standard. The process of being approved starts when a member of the
> langcom asks other members of the langcom for approval for a project. This
> is often communicated privately with people representing the new project.
>
> We need full localisation for all languages. For Greek, for Japanese ...
> without full localisation important messages will not be available and
> consequently when new software is introduced there will be a lot of
> uncertainty. The messages for Single User Logon are in an exension. They are
> extremely relevant when SUL goes life. We do not require any extension
> messages for a first project in a language because we trust the community to
> do well and translate them in BetaWIki. Often these messages are translated
> in the local project.
>
> With a second project in a language it becomes even more important that the
> localisation is done centrally and this is the reason for the new
> requirement. It is hard work to maintain the localisation. When the
> localisation is only done in the biggest project. The smaller projects lose
> out.
>
> I hope you will appreciate that this policy only aims to improve the
> localisation in all languages for us all. If anything the policy and the
> hard work at BetaWiki have shown to have a good effect. Things have already
> improved quite substantially over the last few months.
>
> Thanks,
>      Gerard
>
> Thanks,
>     Gerard
>
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2008 10:40 AM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 15, 2008 4:26 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Hoi,
> > > Several members of the language committee are extremely unhappy with
> > > Pathoschild's sorry show of doing this on his own accord. They have
> > > indicated that they will block final approval for any project by going
> back
> > > on this necessary part of the policy.
> >
> > Unless one other member of Langcom gives their understanding, I think
> > it wise not to comment to this part of your statement.
> >
> > And I take it strangely you speak without clarification as whom you
> > are talking. I don't want an opinion of certain individual on his
> > individual basis. I asked opinion of Langcom.
> >
> > Do you speak here on behalf of Langcom based on consensus?
> >
> >
> > > Again, there are two parts to the policy.
> > > * When a language is starting it only needs to do the most used messages
> of
> > > MediaWiki. This provides basic support for a language.
> > > * When a project request is a subsequent project for a language, all
> > > MediaWiki messages and the messages of the extension used by the WMF are
> > > required.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> > > It is exactly for languages that use a different script that it is vital
> > > that the localisation is done completely. For these languages there is
> no
> > > chance that the English word is the same or similar.
> >
> > Your argument here again become pointless. "A different script" is
> > unclear and a-certain-but-not-clear-language-centric. Even if I assume
> > you wanted to mean "a different language from MediaWiki default =
> > latin script", it is still pointless and give no insight of
> > differences Langcom set between Greek (Greek script, not latin) and
> > Japanese (Kana and Kanji). And I would politely add Greek is not
> > English word.
> >
> > Shortly your argument doesn't provide any good reason for your favor
> > to Greek project.
> >
> >
> > > MediaWiki is an integral part of how we provide our information. It
> needs as
> > > much tender loving care as we give to our content. MediaWiki receives a
> lot
> > > of tender loving care from the developers. We can show our appreciation
> by
> > > making sure that their software is properly understood and appreciated
> by
> > > all its users not only for the people that know English and get
> everything
> > > by default.
> >
> > Again I should ask you: who are we? Specially if Pathoschild pointed
> > out flows in your wording?
> >
> >
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > >     GerardM
> > >
> > > On Jan 15, 2008 12:08 AM, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild)
> <pathoschild at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Aphaia, I'm sorry; I looked at the localization for Japanese, and it
> > > > seems that this problem is caused by a change that happened a few days
> > > > ago in the requirements. I've reverted them and brought them up for
> > > > subcommittee discussion again (I hadn't commented on them, because it
> > > > didn't seem from the proposal that they'd make much difference). I'll
> > > > keep you updated off-list.
> > > >
> > > > Yaroslav, as far as I know (I don't participate on that page) those
> > > > numbers are only there to give a general idea of the discussion. Since
> > > > they're manually updated, they're probably outdated most of the time.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Yours cordially,
> > > > Jesse Martin (Pathoschild)
> > > >
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