[Foundation-l] We should permit Flash video playback

[GerardM]

Hoi,
Where are your arguments ?

We do have storage and bandwidth problems. We have a money problem as in too
little of it. When the Internet archive is willing to host our content, they
in effect help alleviate our problem by hosting our content and providing
bandwidth. Your argument about the copyleft stance of the Internet Archive
is beside the point as well. When they provide us with storage and
bandwidth, they do not take over from us as an organisation.. What are the
positions of Kennisnet and Yahoo on this point, see.. you missed the ball.

When you say "absolutely unacceptable"... again no arguments... you sound
like having seen the Lord. Sorry, I was not there with you when you had your
moment of inspiration, was he a she, were angels singing ??

And again, core mission, it states that our content is to be Free. So read
the core mission statement again, it does not state anywhere that the format
needs to be Free.

To summarise, you state your convictions and you do not support them at all
by arguments. I am sorry that you express yourself in this way and I hope
you also have arguments to make your point.

Thanks,
     GerardM

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mission_statement



On 7/20/07, Ben McIlwain <cydeweys at gmail.com > wrote:
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> Erik Moeller wrote:
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> > We must achieve the same ease of use in Wikimedia projects. In my
> > opinion, inconveniencing users is the worst possible way to raise
> > awareness of free content & free software. I therefore propose that
> > 1) we immediately begin serious discussions with the Internet Archive
> > about hosting some or all of our video content on their servers;
>
> Hell no!  Why should we farm out hosting to other sites?  It just makes
> no sense.  We don't have any storage or bandwidth issues on our end, so
> why give up control and our strong protection of free content?
> Archive.org does NOT have the same copyleft stance that we do, not by a
> long shot.
>
> > 2) All uploaded videos should be transcoded to at least Ogg Theora & a
> > Flash-compatible codec.
>
> Absolutely unacceptable.  We cannot use non-free file formats.  We will
> continue to use Ogg Theora and we will NOT use Flash.
>
> > 3) we add video support to MediaWiki that will, as intelligently as
> > possible, fall back to any of the following methods
> > - embedded open source Flash player
> > - Java player
> > - VLC plugin
> > - (in the future) <video> support.
>
> Where have you been?  We already have fallback methods in place for
> displaying videos on WMF servers that work for the majority of readers.
> If we put a bit more effort into improving this system we will have a
> very robust way of displaying videos to readers that does not violate
> our core mission.
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