[Foundation-l] RfC: A Free Content and Expression Definition

[Gregory Maxwell]

On 5/2/06, Anthony DiPierro <wikilegal at inbox.org> wrote:
> I think there's a big difference here between (most) images and (most)
> text.

I don't.
Man, this discussion stuff is easy! I don't even have to think.

> As Erik pointed out, for instance, a document which cannot
> legally be translated is not a free document.  But translation doesn't
> apply to most images.

Well I've translated a few images from Dewiki, but translation isn't
the only valid alteration of an image.  Derrived works are made
frequently of free images on english wikipedia. If you'd like I can
send you dozens of examples off list.

> The same applies, although to a lesser extent,
> for short quotes, which is the other place fair use is generally used.
>
> FWIW, I think the English Wikipedia should allow ND images as much as
> it should allow "fair use images".  That is, much less than fair use
> is currently used, but still sometimes, when there is no other choice.

You've argued this before... Yet you haven't presented a situation
where we'd get "ND images or no other choice".  All I've ever seen on
this front is the example of fat-ego photographers who want to pretend
to contribute to Wikipedia while simultaniously damaging the freedom
of the content that defines the project... and even in these cases,
we're not in a position where no other image is possible.