[Foundation-l] Re : on (re)organizing wikimedia

[Birgitte SB]

osar's ideas as outlined below are far too general to
formulate much of an argument for or against.  I will
say I am against the Wikicouncil as described on Meta.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikicouncil
  It would be far too large to be effective.  I can't
see how a group of more than 20 people max could be
useful in an advisory role.  And I have no idea what
"supervision of the projects" actually entails.  Any
duties I can think of that could be considered
supervision need a group no larger than 13.  

I don't mean to imply oscar's ideas have no merit.  We
certainly need to understand where some boundaries are
between different roles.  I am not sure why strict
seperation is so neccessary.  And I guess I need oscar
to define what he means by 

*executive and project-related responsibilities

*supervise the projects

Before I can really comment, although I can say my
current impression is negative.

Birgitte SB 


--- Traroth <traroth at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> I think Oscar's idea is really great, because it
> mixes representativity (an elected board) and
> efficiency (a designated CEO and a perennial
> administrative staff). The best proposal I have
> heard.
> I would like people against his proposition express
> their arguments.
> 
> Traroth
> 
> ----- Message d'origine ----
> De : oscar <oscar.wiki at gmail.com>
> À : Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Envoyé le : Samedi, 10 Juin 2006, 2h44mn 15s
> Objet : [Foundation-l] on (re)organizing wikimedia
> 
> hi all,
> 
> i would like to share with you some thoughts on
> (re)organization.
> i read that there are plans to put a ceo in place to
> take care of executive
> responsibilities. executive responsibilities are
> very different from those
> of responsible wikians within the projects. so far
> these things have not
> been separated at all, that is understandable for a
> young and growing
> organization, but such cannot last or work well
> forever.
> 
> in my opinion:
> 1. the only way this organization, its projects and
> mission, its vitality
> and appeal, will survive will be if a strict
> separation be implemented
> between volunteer-work, executive tasks and their
> respective supervision.
> 2. separation of executive and project-related
> responsibilities by
> installing an elected council of representatives
> from the projects is
> mandatory.
> 3. the task of an appointed board should be
> supervising the work of the
> executives, it should be a type of board consisting
> of very professional
> people (the kind which in a way of speaking should
> have "better things to
> do", if you get my meaning), and in general not deal
> with the projects at
> all.
> 4. the council of representatives should supervise
> the projects, advise the
> executive level, and in general not deal with the
> board at all.
> 
> i could be more elaborate in explaining the
> rationale behind these thoughts,
> but i chose to keep things concise. note however,
> that i spoke of how
> specific tasks, responsibilities and work can be
> organized, avoiding the
> who-does-what, which is not of my concern now.
> also these things should definitely not be mixed up.
> 
> for what it's worth these are my two euros ;-)
> 
> oscar
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