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[Birgitte SB]

Perhaps we would be better to post a link here:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives

With a very short english message: "Last week's
summary of foundation-l is now available.  Please
translate."

Then if ever someone does transalate the message that
could be used in the future.  Also perhaps we will
round up new trnastors for the summary itself this
way.  I think it is important that this be done by
volunteers and not bots.  That way if people start
asking questions someone will be wathing to try and
work things out.  Also if some people complain that
the message is spamming a person can quickly apologize
and remove that wiki from the list of places getting
messages.

I don't like just posting "sensitive" messages because
it is hard to tell what any one wiki will find
sensitive.  Not all wiki's are complaining about the
sitenotice.  Although the LSS is not perfect I think
it is the best option for "pushing" information.

Birgitte SB


--- Teun Spaans <teun.spaans at gmail.com> wrote:

> You might be right.
> I realize that posting in english is not optimal.
> But the present
> situation, where people are confronted with a change
> and must go
> hunting around to find where information has been
> published, has
> disadvantages too.
> 
> One way to work around the problem os that this
> "push" becomes
> optional, in the senese that village pumps can
> subscribe/unsubscribe.
> 
> teun
> 
> 
> On 12/30/06, Bryan Tong Minh
> <bryan.tongminh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If one would post a message to all vilage pumps in
> english, I can see
> > the maillist flooded by messages concerning
> "anglosaxism", "language
> > pushing", "discrimination", etc. I don't think
> that would be a
> > solution.
> >
> > Bryan
> >
> > On 12/30/06, Teun Spaans <teun.spaans at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > How? - by a bot.
> > >
> > > On the english wiki, I am a member of the
> Military history
> > > WikiProject. There is a newsletter, which
> appears every monbth or two
> > > months. All members are notified on their talk
> page. By a bot. Surely,
> > > if a project can manage this, the core of
> wikimedia can mange this? I
> > > admit, some volunteers are needed to do this.
> > >
> > > Yes, the language is a problem. At the moment I
> see no alternative to
> > > English. Translation by babelfish gives terrible
> results. At least at
> > > start, there wont be volunteers able to
> translate it. You are right
> > > that the next complaint will be that the message
> is in english. When
> > > we have taken this step, and the complaint
> comes, we can invite them
> > > to translate it.
> > >
> > > One of the problems with the current
> communication is that we rely a
> > > lot on "pull", not on "push". The information is
> posted somewhere, and
> > > it is left to the wikipedians to visiti these
> places frequently and
> > > read it. It is up to the wikipedians to discover
> these places. It is
> > > up to the wikipedians to go to these places
> frequently. It is up to
> > > the wikipedians to read them It is up to the
> wikipedians to act on it.
> > > This holds true for communication from the
> foundation. This is true
> > > for information from the local chapters. This is
> true for information
> > > from commons, such as deletions. It is true for
> policy changes on
> > > commons.
> > >
> > > There is no information brought to the door. I
> think it might be time
> > > to change all this. We might start about
> thinking delivering selected
> > > information to the people on their talk pages.
> information in the
> > > village pumps.
> > >
> > > I dont say we should communicate everything to
> everyone, but we may
> > > start thinking about such a change in our
> communication strategy.
> > >
> > > We are already communicating to the outside
> world based on "push".
> > > When the english wiki reaches it n-th million
> article, whap, out goes
> > > a press release. The same for commons: when the
> 1 million images
> > > milestone was reached. We dont wait till the
> media visit our sites to
> > > discover it, we go out and tell them.
> > > It wouldnt be bad when we followed the same line
> internally.
> > >
> > > teun
> > >
> > > On 12/30/06, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 12/30/06, Teun Spaans
> <teun.spaans at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Perhaps a bot posting sensitive messages
> into every village pump, simply in
> > > > > english, would be a solution.
> > > >
> > > > How? It would work somewhere. It wouldn't work
> in other places. If we
> > > > care the entire community, it is not the way
> we are going to,
> > > > regretfully I admit that is roughly what we
> are doing though.
> > > > Principally I have find no difference between
> communications via
> > > > sitenotice and ones via VP.
> > > >
> > > > On non-English projects, speically non
> Indo-European language
> > > > projects, I have seen some (important to some
> extent) messages posted
> > > > in English and left without comment. In this
> way the possiblity of
> > > > translation doesn't depend on its importance
> but genuinly availability
> > > > of volunteering translators. The next possible
> complaint would be "why
> > > > it came in English but not in our language?"
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > KIZU Naoko
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> > > >
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