[Foundation-l] Introducing a new mailing list

[Corum O' Fallamhain]

Seperate but equal doesn't wash any more, get with the new millennium. If
people have things to say, they can say them here. And I can't for the life
of me imagine how anyone who feels "intimidated" on a Wikimedia mailing list
survives day-to-day life of interaction with real live human beings. Some
people are too sensitive, methinks.

Corum


On 04/12/06, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The fact that there is a slight male bias on the projects is caused by
> the fact that there are simply more male contributers. I think however
> that the problem will not be solved by introducing a new list that is
> more womenfriendly. If there are problems, segregration will only
> enlarge the effect. If there are any problems that people feel
> discriminated on a list, the solution is to remove the discrimination,
> not the discriminated persons! If women are equal to men, which I
> think they are, they should go into discussion rather then flee it. If
> men are equal to women, which I think most of us are, then we should
> accept that discussion, and make the projects a nice place for
> everybody.
>
> Bryan
>
> On 12/4/06, Yann Forget <yann at forget-me.net> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Angela a écrit :
> > > Following recent discussions on wikien-l where a number of women said
> > > they were not comfortable contributing to the discussion, a new
> > > mailing list has been created for female wiki editors to discuss
> > > issues of gender bias in wikis and ways to encourage more female
> > > editors, and just as a place that females can feel more comfortable
> > > posting to.
> > >
> > > It's called WikiChix - named after LinuxChix, the women-oriented
> > > community for Linux users. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LinuxChix
> > >
> > > If you are female and interested in wikis, I would like to encourage
> > > to join the mailing list at
> > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikichix-l
> > >
> > > There's also a wiki at http://wikichix.org/ - let me know your
> > > username if you'd like an account there. Some of the pages are openly
> > > editable, so even if you're not female, you are welcome to post your
> > > comments at http://wikichix.org/wiki/Comments
> > >
> > > The FAQs for the related communities at
> > > http://wikichix.org/wiki/WikiChix#Related_communities answer a lot of
> > > questions about why this was created, so please read those for more
> > > information until we have our own FAQ.
> >
> > They are always been a gender bias in Wikipedia, first by the simple
> > fact that there are much less women editors than men. This is
> > particularly obvious on the French Wikipedia from the start, so it is
> > not specific to one language. I think the numbers of women editors has
> > increased lately, but women are still far from being about the same
> > number as men.
> >
> > Until recently, I thought that the problem would solve itself over time,
> > when Wikipedia becoming more mainstream. I read the thread on wikien-l
> > and I think that the problem is more serious than I thought. The first
> > problem is when people (men only ?) do not see that the problem exists.
> > It remembers me of the tale of the fish and water. When asked its
> > opinion about water, the fish said: "Please show me some water. I don't
> > see any water."
> >
> > It is sad that women feel the need for a separate list, but denying them
> > this tool will not help solve the problem. So I hope that the list will
> > serve its purpose and helps women feel more confident on Wikimedia
> projects.
> >
> > > Angela
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Yann
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