[Foundation-l] Montenegrin request for new language wikipedia

[geni]

On 12/2/06, Darko Bulatovic <mail at itam.ws> wrote:
> mainly in English or Multilingual as France, Italian Russian, etc... In
> 99% there is no any of similar languages. That is not a wonder as
> Montenegro is very small market. beside English I can use Croat, Bosnian
> as even as Serbian. That is case as I was born in country (SFR
> Yugoslavia) where we all learned unified language.

Then why not continue to use it?


> Sabine please, let be honest here, I don't make problem, you make
> problem and don't switch these here. You didn't do your work and this
> level of discussion is not what I expected from member of language
> committee. I have given a proof of (professional) company that do
> translation from/to Montenegrin and you give me companies that don't?
> What that mean?If I find translation company that don't translate to
> Hindu that language don't exist?

Hindi exists and it's written form differs enough from Urdu to make it
a separate language. No shortage of academic papers exist that show
this.

>... You need to find alibi to clear your
> self for not doing what you should? Or at least to ask for some facts
> that will show more clearly this topic. Instead you jump into
> conclusion. It is easier i know. But you denied my identity and identity
> of my people,Denied our own language forcing-suggesting to use language
> of different people.

According to your government the language of Montenegro is Serbian of
the Ijekavian dialect. The Declaration of Montenegrin PEN Center
doesn't claim it as anything more than a dialect.

You status as an independent nation state is not an issue. The
question is how a European language of ~150K could be completely
missed by academics. Romansh has half that number of speakers and has
been documented since at least 1776.

> You talked all time about politics. And now lets talk about politics
> I know who I am and I know in which language I talk and you constantly
> deny that. How should I feel about this?

You should consider the possibility of transferring your
understandable national pride to other things.

> You in this way support pro Miloshevic and national-chauvinism politic
> from Belgrade which denied natural right to have his own identity to
> anyone from former Yugoslavia.

Miloshevic is dead.

> This is anti democratic and anti human.

2+2=4 no matter how many believe that it makes 5

> This looks to me, sadly, like situation that happen on beginning of 90
> when Serbs forced all to be under their national identity and because
> this was all wars on Balkan. Your opinion seems to me that is under this
> sort of propaganda.
>

I doubt it. Serbia has not excactly been popular in the international
community of late.

> Today when war is over and we know everything what happen and we did go
> peacefully for our freedom, you make you self blind and you talk me
> about working under Serbian wikipedia?

No not the Serbian wikipedia. En is not the English wikipedia it is
the English language wikipedia. Just because there was once a country
called England does not mean that the wikipedia belongs to that
country. Instead wikipedias are divided by language. In this case the
correct name for the language would probably be Serbo-Croatian.


> It is ok by me I understand that you have some private business that you
> need to spare more time but please don't justify your self by using this
> kind of discussion(tv manuals, companies that don't use Montenegrin to
> translate,OS ...)as this case affect one (half million) people and one
> language.

No at most 22% of your country describes the language they speak as
Montenegrin. That would be a little over 140K people.



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geni