[Foundation-l] Celebrity pictures

[effe iets anders]

That is not fully true. I have tried myself in the past to get photo's
sourcetexts and other material to extract from organizations. It works
very difficult because they don't like to deal with individuals. And
they don't get at all how the wikimedia-projects work. They feel an
urgent need to speak with a formal organization, even if that does not
matter at the end. If you want to get photo's on a large scale, you
need to be able to say: "Hi, I'm xxx from the yyy-organization, and I
am here to talk with you". It should not be a problem to mention as
well that you are not allowed to make any agreements on behalf of that
organization.

Such an organization does not have to be per se the Wikimedia
Foundation Inc., but can also be a local chapter. As long as you can
tell them *somehow* that you are associated with such an organization.
You need that to enter the conversation. If they are going to release
images in the free domains, you don't ahve to make up contracts, sign
stuff or someting like that, so it should not be a big deal.

Of course the foundation-people have already a lot of work to do. But
it should be possible to get more people in semi-formal positions,
right? theoretically we could make up an officer for obtaining open
content and material for the projects. The officer does not have to
have any "power", abilities or something like that, just the name does
already do a really good job. Maybe something to think about?

Greetings, Lodewijk

2006/8/26, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb at yahoo.com>:
> I suggest you work on getting these photos as
> individual editors.  After all "The Foundation"
> consists of around a dozen people and there are many
> thousands of individual editors.  I imagine at least
> three dozens of those editors are particulary
> interested in these pictures.  While at the same time
> the people that make up "The Foundation" propably feel
> as if they each have three dozen priority tasks to do
> already.  Anr I do not believe this project would be a
> priority by Foundation standards.  So practically
> speaking  you are *not* more likely to succeed in
> obtaining photos if it is left up to "The Foundation".
>
> Birgitte SB
>
> --- James Hare <messedrocker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Generally speaking, I am a weak defender of the use
> > of copyrighted pictures
> > of living people (except when there's a freebie
> > available) because I don't
> > think they have the time to have a picture of
> > themselves taken so it can be
> > used on Wikipedia. (Don't hit me back with semantics
> > -- I know it would be
> > usable for more than Wikipedia.)
> >
> > However, I do believe we should be persuing an
> > active effort to obtain
> > free-use photographs of living people wherever
> > possible. I'm talking about
> > an effort at the Foundation level.
> >
> > On 8/25/06, Garion96 <garion96 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 8/9/06, Garion96 <garion96 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Regarding Jimmy Wales's comment here
> > >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3APublicity_photos&diff=66922063&oldid=58823881
> > > >  concerning fair use.
> > > >
> > > > To quote "In general, ordinary publicity photos
> > of celebrities should
> > > not
> > > > be used in Wikipedia unless they are released
> > under a free license. We
> > > are
> > > > powerful enough now that we can insist on this,
> > and get it, from just
> > > about
> > > > any celebrity, or we can get a free photo in a
> > number of different ways.
> > > > Using fair use in such cases discourages us from
> > creatively looking for
> > > a
> > > > way to enlarge the commons."
> > > >
> > > > Would it be a good idea if the foundation would
> > ask for 'free' images
> > > from
> > > > big record companies (like Sony music
> > entertainment), actor agencies
> > > etc. I
> > > > know any editor can do this, but it would
> > definitely have a greater
> > > > chance of success if it is coming from the
> > foundation.
> > > >
> > > > Garion96
> > > >
> > >
> > > Anymore comments on this? Ixnays, supports and the
> > like? :)
> > >
> > > Garion
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