[Wikimedia-IN-PUN] [mr-wiki] Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia

Tue Dec 13 10:50:07 UTC 2011

I think by default tool is OFF. The end user need to select the option
according to his/her preference. My suggestion is to continue with that
option.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar
<sudhanwa.com at gmail.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As I understand (and tried on translatewiki), Narayanam gives option of
> both the methods. phonetic is the default.
>
> Let people choose whatever they want. Personally, I believe inscript
> should be used as default. If we  give choices, people will always use the
> other one.
>
> Regards
> -Sudhanwa
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Shiju Alex <shiju at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Before making a decision on this, I suggest to conduct a survey among
>> existing Marathi wikipedians.
>>
>> We cannot enforce a typing scheme on newbies when we are not getting
>> enough contributes to Marathi wikipedia. Even the latest report shows
>> Marathi wikipedia has just 47 active contributors. If transliteration is
>> brining in more new users  please go for that. If Inscript is brining in
>> more new users use that.  I am not sure how many of the existing users are
>> using InScript. So make a decision based on the typing habit of existing
>> users and potential new users.
>>
>> The aim should be bringing in more Marathi speakers to marathi wiki.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/12/13 Saleel Kulkarni <saleelk at gmail.com>
>>
>>>  I agree with and endorse each of Sushant’s statements.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *Saleel Kulkarni*
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* सुशान्त देवळेकर(Sushant Devlekar) [mailto:
>>> sushant.devlekar at gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 December, 2011 11:29 AM
>>> *To:* Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia
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>>> markal"; milind at thebhandarakars.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Thanks for this forward.
>>> In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input
>>> method. It should made available as non default.
>>> 1. Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India
>>> and thus it is our duty to encourage it's use.
>>> 2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto
>>> use it.
>>> 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can
>>> use other methods i. e. transliteration etc.
>>> 4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available
>>> schemes differ with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise
>>> decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be
>>> available as non default.
>>>
>>> Sushant****
>>>
>>> 2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia <mahitgar at yahoo.co.in>****
>>>
>>> Dear All ****
>>>
>>> From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical
>>> team to make a phonetic Marathi font  transliteration system default for
>>> all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500
>>> edits  just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous
>>> users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present
>>> optional transliteration system.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version
>>> available for testing at translatewiki.net<http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Mr>. We have received following reply to our  Our technical request  which is
>>> submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669 ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will
>>> put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate
>>> marathi wikipedia community decesion.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all
>>> of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this
>>> discussion in english so non marathi development team members can
>>> understand our discussion.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Regards****
>>>
>>> mahitgar****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>> *From:* "bugzilla-daemon at wikimedia.org" <bugzilla-daemon at wikimedia.org>
>>> *To:* mahitgar at yahoo.co.in
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM
>>> *Subject:* [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
>>>
>>> --- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal <santhosh.thottingal at gmail.com>
>>> 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC ---
>>> (In reply to comment #0)
>>> > Dear All ,
>>> > Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent
>>> > Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at
>>> > [
>>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs10rUYkYU/edit]
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam
>>> extension on
>>> > Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please
>>> see
>>> > Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/विकिपीडिया:कौल )
>>>
>>> The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta
>>> till we
>>> get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in
>>> mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as
>>> expected.
>>>
>>> > 1)Narayam should be default font inputting system  for all
>>> unregistered users
>>> > and all users for upto 500 edit
>>>
>>> We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check
>>> the
>>> edits count.
>>>
>>> > 2) The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all
>>> namespaces
>>> > including  inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and
>>> references
>>>
>>> This should be ok.
>>>
>>> > 3)Also applicable  at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes
>>> specialy
>>> > "type=create" group
>>>
>>> The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
>>>
>>> > 4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows
>>> > non-default  option
>>>
>>> Transliteration is the default one.
>>>
>>> > 5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
>>>
>>> We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension  supports Vector,
>>> Monobook, Modern skins.
>>>
>>> > 6. Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User
>>> Creation
>>> > and User Login
>>>
>>> Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
>>>
>>> > 7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia
>>> sysops at
>>> > local level
>>>
>>> No, The extension does not provide this feature.
>>>
>>> If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at
>>> translatewiki.net,  please inform us here. We will enable it in mr
>>> wikis in the
>>> next i18n deployment.
>>>
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