[Wikimedia-in-en] GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2

Thu Jan 12 00:58:09 UTC 2012

Hi Karthik,

Anirudh gave the answer a while ago but I shall reiterate what he said.
Perhaps people missed the import of what he said.

If we place a link [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi]] on the article "Mohandas
Karamchand Gandhi" itself, the software does not render it as a link but as
bold, this is to avoid self-referential loops, a kind of software glitch.

In the {{cite book}}, {{cite journal}} etc templates, there is a field
called "authorlink". In case the author has a wikipedia article about him
then the name of the article should be added here. Since authorlink was
providing Gandhi's name wikilinked on his page itself, it appeared as bold
not as a link to avoid self-reference.

If we remove the value for authorlink in this case, Gandhi's article name
from the references, his name will not appear as bold any longer.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar <karthikndr at gmail.com>

> Because they are written by Gandhi himself...
> It's a scanned document written by him...
>
> Just a guess,...
>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks and Regards,
> *Karthik Nadar.*
>
>
> 2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>
>
>> Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in
>> "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
>>
>> Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Karthik - ser 8 to end.
>>>
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar <karthikndr at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session
>>>> to clean references.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks and Regards,
>>>> *Karthik Nadar.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Arnav Chaudhary <arnavchaudhary at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2
>>>>>> To: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, already started checking the article regarding
>>>>>> improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and
>>>>>> was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So didnt reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now.
>>>>>> Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular
>>>>>> Pc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Arnav Chaudhary
>>>>>> +91-9049039013
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through
>>>>>>> every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised
>>>>>>> at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
>>>>>>> * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
>>>>>>> * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
>>>>>>> * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to
>>>>>>> date so can't task you. Sorry!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay <
>>>>>>> debastein at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see
>>>>>>>> if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what
>>>>>>>> we feel are non-reliable sources.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take
>>>>>>>>>> an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now
>>>>>>>>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being
>>>>>>>>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and
>>>>>>>>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require
>>>>>>>>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most
>>>>>>>>>> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which
>>>>>>>>>> is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled
>>>>>>>>>> without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Referencing involves a number of things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference
>>>>>>>>>>    or a {{cn}} tag placed.
>>>>>>>>>>    2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]]
>>>>>>>>>>    (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no
>>>>>>>>>>    ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where
>>>>>>>>>>    references could not be found need to be deleted.
>>>>>>>>>>    3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference
>>>>>>>>>>    needs to be checked -
>>>>>>>>>>       1. Material written in the article is actually in the
>>>>>>>>>>       cited reference.
>>>>>>>>>>       2. The material written in the article is an NPOV
>>>>>>>>>>       representation of the cited material in the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>    4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite
>>>>>>>>>>    templated reference with adequate details available in the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required
>>>>>>>>>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    - [[WP:REFBEGIN]]
>>>>>>>>>>    - [[WP:CITE]]
>>>>>>>>>>    - [[WP:RS]]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill
>>>>>>>>>> in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for
>>>>>>>>>> use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink=
>>>>>>>>>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url=
>>>>>>>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work=
>>>>>>>>>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2=
>>>>>>>>>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi=
>>>>>>>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper=
>>>>>>>>>> |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with
>>>>>>>>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded
>>>>>>>>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it
>>>>>>>>>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's
>>>>>>>>>> assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in
>>>>>>>>>> creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good
>>>>>>>>>> link:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27s+assassination&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA&ved=0CFoQuwUwBw#v=onepage&q=gandhi%27s%20assassination&f=false
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I
>>>>>>>>>> get the following url:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude
>>>>>>>>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url=
>>>>>>>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58|accessdate=10January 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent
>>>>>>>>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following
>>>>>>>>>> citation:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *^<http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0>
>>>>>>>>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*<http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58>.
>>>>>>>>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBN<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number>
>>>>>>>>>>  978-81-7824-155-5<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5>.
>>>>>>>>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and
>>>>>>>>>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Debanjan*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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