<div dir="ltr">Hey Alexander,<div><br></div><div>Assuming good faith is always good - even if you have to work harder for it. It makes the interactions more pleasant and the work more fun. So I will always recommend to keep doing it - even if it goes against your natural response. </div><div><br></div><div>The case where the names don't seem to match seems like a valid case to me to ask questions, and this process is (unfortunately) the process being used for that at Wikimedia Commons. It is uncomfortable, but it is what we have to deal with. Because there are so many pictures, there is a bunch to be expected. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm not going to pretend that the Wikimedia Commons community is always easy or fun to work with - but their intentions are usually good. They are very tough on copyright, and very suspicious. While these are some disadvantages, it does allow us to use a lot of shared infrastructure, and makes competitions like this one possible on an international scale. Please do realise that the number of uploads typically raises with 30-100% during Wiki Loves Monuments, and this puts some stress/strain on the reviewers too. </div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Lodewijk</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-09-17 8:58 GMT+02:00 Alexander Tsirlin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:altsirlin@gmail.com" target="_blank">altsirlin@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<blockquote type="cite">Rather than complaining to the process could
you please for once think that this is your project too and
everyone in this together?</blockquote></span>
It is not my project. Like many other people, I am forced to use it
as a common image repository, even though I emphatically do not want
to. As you probably know, before migrating to WMF servers Wikivoyage
had its own image repository, and we wanted to keep it, because it
was much better organized than Commons, and we did not want other
people to impose their rules and practices of "nominating everything
for deletion" on images that we have carefully collected ourselves.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, our request was ignored by the WMF, so yes, we are
also in this strange thing that was supposed to be a common project,
but is in fact run by a handful of people who believe that
unjustified and well-hidden deletion requests are the best way to
solve all problems. But it stinks, and we try to be as far from it
as possible.<br>
<br>
Your experience of license review for WLM Bangladesh might be
interesting if we would ever have time to do this. At the moment, I
spend most of my free time on finding and fighting these well-hidden
deletion requests. Thank you, my dear Commons community, for
creating such a wonderful working environment.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Alexander<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 17.09.2016 11:32, Nahid Sultan
wrote:<br>
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<p>
Though it seems a bit odd but on a commons perspective it is
also a normal procedure. Commons has a huge issue with people
finding images online and then uploading them as their own
work, so regular contributors on commons can sometimes be
overzealous in making sure that people actually have the right
to release what they are releasing. That is where the OTRS
system comes in. Rather than complaining to the process could
you please for once think that this is your project too and
everyone in this together?</p>
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<p>
We, from WLM Bangladesh team have created a work-board/list
for such users who have problem with metadata, previously
published same image on other media to make sure that they are
actually own the copyright. we even created a hand book for
reviewers explaining what to look during the review (<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:NahidSultan/WLM" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.<wbr>org/wiki/User:NahidSultan/WLM</a>)<wbr>. So,
every reviewer check for those mistakes when reviewing an
image then if they found such problematic user they
immediately contact them via email or talk page and list them
on <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:NahidSultan/WLM/possible_copyright_problem" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.<wbr>org/wiki/User:NahidSultan/WLM/<wbr>possible_copyright_problem</a>.
It works for us.</p>
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<p>Best,</p>
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Nahid Sultan</p>
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on behalf of Alexander Tsirlin
<a href="mailto:altsirlin@gmail.com" target="_blank"><altsirlin@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 17, 2016 11:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM photos
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<div>Now it is not only about Freedom of
Panorama and non-free images.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_uploaded_by_VekaSpb" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/<wbr>wiki/Commons:Deletion_<wbr>requests/Files_uploaded_by_<wbr>VekaSpb</a><br>
Here, one Commons user nominates a bunch of excellent
photos for <br>
deletion after he sees that the user name does not match
the name in <br>
EXIF, even though the connection between the two is
pretty obvious. This <br>
deletion request has been closed yesterday, but it still
costed me a lot <br>
of time and a long e-mail exchange with the uploader,
where I tried to <br>
convince her that everything is fine, and this deletion
request was only <br>
a mistake. Yes, just a small mistake, really...<br>
<br>
<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_uploaded_by_PhotoJinn" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/<wbr>wiki/Commons:Deletion_<wbr>requests/Files_uploaded_by_<wbr>PhotoJinn</a><br>
Here, the same user nominates for deletion some photos
of a 13th century <br>
cathedral claiming that there is no freedom of panorama.
What???!<br>
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<br>
That's a very systematic course of action against us
taking place on <br>
Commons. It would be silly to assume good faith here.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Alexander<br>
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