<div dir="ltr">For the specific case of Russia, I confirm that I have heard your point. <div><br></div><div>I also would like to encourage you to be open to listening to other lines of arguments and be more flexible with considering other solutions. Remember that at the end of the day, the Commons community is also operating based on the same basic principles and motivations as the rest of the Wikimedia community. We are in this together, and to move forward efficiently we should work together.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alexander Tsirlin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:altsirlin@gmail.com" target="_blank">altsirlin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Dear Leila,<br>
<br>
I can also repeat my point on list. Russian WLM organizers need the
time until October 31 in order to identify and properly transfer
no-FOP files. The Russian organizers really need this time. They are
unable and they will not work in a different time frame. If Commons
community accepts this, we are all fine. If they do not accept it,
we have to say good-bye to Commons.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Alexander<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 14.09.2016 21:38, Lily wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Yaroslav and others,
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<div>I'm sorry that we are going through these current events.
As a WLM organizer, I feel the pain of organizing a contest,
encouraging people to participate, but then seeing or
imagining their disappointment. The one thing that gives the
most motivation to me is to see people succeed in doing the
upload, not to see them fail. From what I read at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_of_User:%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B295_2#Comment_from_the_WLM_organizers" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.<wbr>org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_<wbr>requests/Files_of_User:<wbr>Лавров95_2#Comment_from_the_<wbr>WLM_organizers</a>
I also see some of the difficulties that the Commons community
are facing. This is not a pleasant situation for anyone. We
are all in this for helping people share in the sum of all
knowledge. At the moment, we are distracted.</div>
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<div>We are seeing a failure of potentially more than one part
of our system. As a team of people working towards the same
goal, we should investigate what has happened from the
beginning to the end, understand what has gone wrong and where
(no blaming of each other, simply understanding), and come up
with processes for fixing the broken parts. This will help us
not have to visit a similar problem again and move forward
together and more efficiently.</div>
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<div>I will reach out to some of you involved in this discussion
off-list to start a (postmortem) discussion. In the mean time,
I ask all of you to consider the other side and treat each
other with humility, trust, and respect.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Leila</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:13 PM,
Yaroslav M. Blanter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:putevod@mccme.ru" target="_blank">putevod@mccme.ru</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On 14.09.2016 20:50, Marco Chiesa wrote:<br>
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter
<<a href="mailto:putevod@mccme.ru" target="_blank">putevod@mccme.ru</a>>
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The files have been deleted, meaning we will advise
WLM participants not to<br>
use Commons anymore.<br>
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By the way, such images would not qualify for WLM
anyway, since they<br>
are copyvios.<br>
Cruccone<br>
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