<div dir="ltr">Might be part of the reason that the italian template uses "| comcat=" instead of "|commonscat=" in their template? For example, I came across <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Galata_in_atto_di_cadere,_copia_romano_imperiale_di_un_originale_di_Pergamo,_datato_tra_la_fine_del_III_e_la_met%C3%A0_del_II_sec._a.C.,_restauri_cinquecenteschi_di_Tiziano_Aspetti,_da_Roma,_(1).JPG">this file</a> in the category, which is on <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progetto:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2015/Monumenti/Veneto">this list</a> and has already a commonscat. Is my understanding correct that normally, it should not be in the <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_in_Italy&filefrom=g">category </a>any more? <div><br></div><div>Lodewijk</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:42 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Beppo.S@gmx.at" target="_blank">Beppo.S@gmx.at</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:12.0px"><div>
<div>Hello!</div>
<div>Some experienced volunteers in Austria would like to help with the categories for Italy.</div>
<div>Maybe they should have a partner in Italy, to not provide needless categorizations.</div>
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<div>Beppo</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10.0px 0"><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 31. August 2015 um 16:59 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> Vicenç <<a href="mailto:vriullop@hotmail.com" target="_blank">vriullop@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>An:</b> "<a href="mailto:wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org" target="_blank">wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org" target="_blank">wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] ErfgoedBot status</div><div><div class="h5">
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<div>Both approaches are posible: to subcategorize them manually or to help the bot to do it botically. The last one is more efficient en the long term.<br>
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How-to:<br>
1. Add to the file the monument template with the identifier. If it does not correspond to any monument listed, remove the file from the main categoy of monuments.<br>
2. Add the template {{Commonscat}} to the list where the monument is listed. Usually it is the category for monuments of a city or region.<br>
3. If the monument has its own category, add the parameter commonscat=, or similar, in the row template for the monument. If your row template does not have such parameter, consider to add it. It can be usuful for a "see more pics" link or, at least, it is useful for a precise categorization by ErfgoedBot.<br>
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More info at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization</a><br>
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BTW, I am not sure how it works if the template commonscat has its parameter migrated to Wikidata.<br>
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<hr>From: <a href="mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org" target="_blank">lodewijk@effeietsanders.org</a><br>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:29:50 +0200<br>
To: <a href="mailto:wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org" target="_blank">wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] ErfgoedBot status<br>
<div>Hi Maarten,
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<div>Thanks for the update. Just to make sure people understand what exactly needs to happen to these categories: as I understand it, they should be bumped down at least one level to a region? Or could people help in a more structured way, by connecting the identifiers with the right category, somehow? What is the most intelligent approach in the current setup?</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Lodewijk</div>
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<div>On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Maarten Dammers <span><<a>maarten@mdammers.nl</a>></span> wrote:
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Pierre-Selim schreef op 29-8-2015 om 13:27:
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Thanks Pierre-Selim and other. Seems to be becoming a bit of a tradition to have a sprint last week of August to get stuff fixed again. I'm quite happy Jean-Fred picked up the role of maintainer.<br>
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The current status is:<br>
* Update database runs, but some sources (countries) need to be updated and fixed (<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Monuments_database/Statistics&action=history" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Monuments_database/Statistics&action=history</a>)<br>
* Categorization bot seems to work again. I see a lot of files being categorized a couple of days ago (<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization/Statistics&action=history" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization/Statistics&action=history</a>)<br>
* Unused images bot is still broken, but I found the source of the problem and looks easy to fix (<a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110829" target="_blank">https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110829</a>)<br>
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I was fixing stuff but toollabs just died. I hope it will be back online later this afternoon so I can get some of the bugs fixed.<br>
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Every year the categorization bot gets overloaded. Right now it has about 30.000 images it can't categorize. That means that every day it runs it goes through the same 30.000 images and can't to anything. That's quite a waste of resources and time. If you look at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization/Statistics" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization/Statistics</a> you'll see the top "offenders":<br>
* About 17.000 images in <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_in_Italy" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_in_Italy</a><br>
* About 3.700 images in <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_in_Jordan" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_in_Jordan</a><br>
* About 2.000 images in <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_in_China" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_in_China</a><br>
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I know quite a few people from Italy are on this list. Italian folks, could you please spend some time on emptying out this category? With the current backlog me or Jean-Fred are probably just going to disable the bot for Italy because it slows down everything. Italy is also high on <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Unused_images/Statistics" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Unused_images/Statistics</a> so I wonder if everything is set up correctly for Italy. Looks like a bit of a mess to me. Why do we even have <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM2013-riga" target="_blank">https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM2013-riga</a> ?<br>
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<span><font color="#888888">Maarten</font></span>
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