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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Andrea,<br>
<br>
thanks for the update. We were in the same situation last year,
including all the negative side effects mentioned already. <br>
The worst part was to explain our long-standing and important
partner the Federal Monuments Office that we can't have the banner
time at cruical dates in September (especially the days leading up
to our events around the national monuments day in Austria), at a
time when all the information material with dates etc. was already
printed and distributed. <br>
<br>
Like you, we decided to come to terms with the situation without
causing drama or trouble, but we communicated very clearly and on
various channels that we wish for or rather strongly recommend a
better planning this year, i.e. an information for the affected
countries months and not only weeks or days before the event, so
that they they can come up with adequate strategies and plan
accordingly. It sounds that - again - this was not the case this
year. <br>
<br>
So, yes indeed - sad news - I really think this could have been
avoided to a certain extend.<br>
<br>
Claudia<br>
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Am 19.08.2015 um 11:18 schrieb Andrea Zanni:<br>
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Hello everyone.<br>
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Thanks Romaine for bringing up this issue, because it's good
to talk these kind of things together with the whole
community. It's a way to improve collaboration, I hope. <br>
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Yes, this year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we
reached an agreement in which<br>
* 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner<br>
* 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner<br>
* 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between
the WLM campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers
will see a fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM
campaign.) <b><br>
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<div>We asked also a bigger percentage of visibility during the
last 2-3 days of September, as they are very important days in
terms of number of photo uploads: we'll see if we manage to
find an agreement also there. <br>
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<div>I'd like to declare that the conversation with the
fundraising team have been nothing less than polite and
contructive: at the same time, there *is* a "banner conflict",
and we will both suffer from this. <br>
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<div>Last year (WLM 2014) we had the same problem, but in the
end FR decided to leave us the banner for the whole September,
but the final days.<br>
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<div>This year the conflict is on the whole month of September,
and WLM in Italy will definitely suffer (as it does also in
normal conditions ;-). <br>
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<div>This is a pity because:<br>
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<div>* FR decided to use September months ago, and they are now
in a rush and cannot really change their plans<br>
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<div>* WMIT decided to run WLM on September months ago as well,
as it has done for the past 4 years. WMIT also declared his
plans on WLM in the FDC appplication, reviewed in May. Knowing
also that last year there was the same issue, it's fair to
say, I hope, that from WMIT part there was no lack of
communication.<br>
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<div>I agree with Maarten that, in the end, it's WMF decision
the one that counts. <br>
This is why we were firm in stating our position but did not
put up a fight (or a scene). We manage to reach a more
favorable agreement for WLM (we asked for the first and last
week of September, as they are in our opinion the most
important). <br>
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<div>What we plan to do now is discussing the issue also with
the Funds Dissemination Committee, as it will impact our
goals and figures and metrics. Moreover, we do have sponsors
in Italy for WLM, and it will not be easy to explain them if
numbers drop dramatically. <br>
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<div>Lorenzo will explain to you what WLM means in terms of
organization and management in Italy.<br>
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<div>Of course, this is the last time this problem has to
happen. If the WMF is committed in running the FR banner in
September in Italy (it seems it's the most favorable month),
WMIT will have to change WLM and run it in October. I don't
see other solutions. <br>
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<div>I hope this mail cleared a bit the situation. <br>
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<div>Cheers<br>
<br>
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<div>Andrea Zanni<br>
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<div>Wikimedia Italia<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter
Southwood <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:peter.southwood@telkomsa.net" target="_blank">peter.southwood@telkomsa.net</a>></span>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Is there
not a method for time to be booked in advance for these
things? Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned
properly and not crippled at the last minute?<br>
Peter<br>
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largely blocked by WMF fundraising<br>
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wrote:<br>
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> Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly?<br>
><br>
> The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit
my own comments and<br>
feedback from previous years that can be taken into
account for the 2015-16 fundraiser at:<br>
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Some of the feedback is "perennial" - we have the same
debates every year.<br>
But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have
requested comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be
placed, then I suggest that people use it.<br>
<br>
-Liam<br>
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