<div dir="ltr">I am not advocating "generating" in the sense of data creation, but am advocating "generating" in the sense of data visualization. So now the rijksmonument lists are only visible in the Dutch Wikipedia, though all of the info about the individual objects is in Wikidata (thanks to the work of Maarten Dammers and countless Wikipedians of course). Wait I will fisrt add the objects to the Wikidata list item and repost the results here, maybe it will be clearer for you then what I mean.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Andre Koopal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andre@molens.org" target="_blank">andre@molens.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Yes, but there are other halls certainly who are not a monument. If you start generating lists it should just be the heritage status, and then split over city for example.<br><br></div>Regards,<br><br></div>André<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Jane Darnell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jane023@gmail.com" target="_blank">jane023@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yes, but broadly speaking this is also the reason the object made it into the Rijksmonument list to begin with (the reason it was chosen for heritage status)</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Andre Koopal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andre@molens.org" target="_blank">andre@molens.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Very quickly (I am at work), no, the original function should not be the reason the object made it into the WLM list, the fact that it is a 'rijksmonument' and thus have a rijksmonument-id is the reason to make it in the list.<br><br></div><div>Regards,<br><br></div><div>André<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Jane Darnell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jane023@gmail.com" target="_blank">jane023@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">OK I am now looking at your Q number Q5642705 and I see that it is a hall, so I expect it to be an instance of hall, but it's not and it's an instance of architectural structure. This item has an enwiki Wikipedia article and when I click what links here I see the WLM list here:<div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Birmingham" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Birmingham</a><br><div><div>Here I see only 4 columns - name, grade, date and architect</div><div><br></div><div>An item that is also a hall in NL is a water board building called a gemeenlandshuis. Here is an example item</div><div><a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2847105" target="_blank">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2847105</a><br></div><div>This is an instance of gemeenlandshuis which in turn is a subclass of hall.</div><div><br></div><div>On the Dutch Wikipedia when I click what links here I see the link to the WLM list here:</div><div><a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_rijksmonumenten_in_Haarlemmerliede_en_Spaarnwoude" target="_blank">https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_rijksmonumenten_in_Haarlemmerliede_en_Spaarnwoude</a><br></div><div>This list has eight columns - name, original function, date, architect, location, coordinates, WLM ID, photo</div></div></div><div><br></div><div>The column headings should be coming from the monuments database, and the original function should be the reason the object made it into the WLM list.</div><div><br></div><div>I think both of these items should be part of a corresponding list on Wikidata. When I click what links here on Wikidata I see nothing that takes me to WLM. The only clue is the property P1435 for the British Q and property P359 for the Dutch Q. </div><div><br></div><div>Maybe we should augment the corresponding list items with their members so that when you click what links here you are taken to the Q number of of the list item? This effectively migrates the lists to Wikidata</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Andy Mabbett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk" target="_blank">andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 26 July 2015 at 07:42, Jane Darnell <<a href="mailto:jane023@gmail.com" target="_blank">jane023@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> So such wikipedia articles should be labelled " instance of" <the name of<br>
> your identifier used in WLM>.<br>
<br>
I believe that method has been deprecated, and it is preferred to use<br>
a property P1435 ("heritage status" in English):<br>
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<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1435" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1435</a><span><br>
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as done, for example, on:<br>
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<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5642705" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5642705</a><span><font color="#888888"><br>
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--<br>
Andy Mabbett<br>
@pigsonthewing<br>
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