<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Yes, but there are other halls certainly who are not a monument. If you start generating lists it should just be the heritage status, and then split over city for example.<br><br></div>Regards,<br><br></div>André<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Jane Darnell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jane023@gmail.com" target="_blank">jane023@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yes, but broadly speaking this is also the reason the object made it into the Rijksmonument list to begin with (the reason it was chosen for heritage status)</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Andre Koopal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andre@molens.org" target="_blank">andre@molens.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Very quickly (I am at work), no, the original function should not be the reason the object made it into the WLM list, the fact that it is a 'rijksmonument' and thus have a rijksmonument-id is the reason to make it in the list.<br><br></div><div>Regards,<br><br></div><div>André<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Jane Darnell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jane023@gmail.com" target="_blank">jane023@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">OK I am now looking at your Q number Q5642705 and I see that it is a hall, so I expect it to be an instance of hall, but it's not and it's an instance of architectural structure. This item has an enwiki Wikipedia article and when I click what links here I see the WLM list here:<div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Birmingham" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Birmingham</a><br><div><div>Here I see only 4 columns - name, grade, date and architect</div><div><br></div><div>An item that is also a hall in NL is a water board building called a gemeenlandshuis. Here is an example item</div><div><a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2847105" target="_blank">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2847105</a><br></div><div>This is an instance of gemeenlandshuis which in turn is a subclass of hall.</div><div><br></div><div>On the Dutch Wikipedia when I click what links here I see the link to the WLM list here:</div><div><a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_rijksmonumenten_in_Haarlemmerliede_en_Spaarnwoude" target="_blank">https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_rijksmonumenten_in_Haarlemmerliede_en_Spaarnwoude</a><br></div><div>This list has eight columns - name, original function, date, architect, location, coordinates, WLM ID, photo</div></div></div><div><br></div><div>The column headings should be coming from the monuments database, and the original function should be the reason the object made it into the WLM list.</div><div><br></div><div>I think both of these items should be part of a corresponding list on Wikidata. When I click what links here on Wikidata I see nothing that takes me to WLM. The only clue is the property P1435 for the British Q and property P359 for the Dutch Q. </div><div><br></div><div>Maybe we should augment the corresponding list items with their members so that when you click what links here you are taken to the Q number of of the list item? This effectively migrates the lists to Wikidata</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Andy Mabbett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk" target="_blank">andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 26 July 2015 at 07:42, Jane Darnell <<a href="mailto:jane023@gmail.com" target="_blank">jane023@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> So such wikipedia articles should be labelled " instance of" <the name of<br>
> your identifier used in WLM>.<br>
<br>
I believe that method has been deprecated, and it is preferred to use<br>
a property P1435 ("heritage status" in English):<br>
<br></span>
<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1435" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1435</a><span><br>
<br>
as done, for example, on:<br>
<br></span>
<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5642705" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5642705</a><span><font color="#888888"><br>
</font></span><span><font color="#888888"><span><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Andy Mabbett<br>
@pigsonthewing<br>
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