[WikiEN-l] Privacy Study Looking for Volunteers

[Brian J Mingus]

Do you see the irony here?

The NSA needs to keep harvesting metadata in order to stop terrorism.

The WMF needs to keep harvesting metadata in order to stop vandalism.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes at wikimedia.org> wrote:

> .....at which point it can no longer be used for checkuser or for
> rangeblocks. I really don't see the hypocricy there. Are we:
>
> 1. Taking user data;
> 2. Storing it and not saying for how long;
> 3. Not telling the user we're taking it in the first place, and;
> 4. Not tellning anyone what we're using it for?
>
> If "yes" to all of the above, the NSA is broadly analogous. If no...a
> better analogy is needed.
>
> On 28 March 2015 at 11:44, Brian J Mingus <brian.mingus at colorado.edu>
> wrote:
> > I think now that we are suing the NSA that it's deeply hypocritical to be
> > surveilling users. A quick fix: stuff the ip field with random numbers.
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 8:38 AM, James Alexander <
> jalexander at wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The idea of the IP being more private in the history/ public logs (for
> >> example a unique hash so that you know it's "an IP" but not where/what
> IP"
> >> ) is one that I know has been discussed and is desired by a good number
> >> within the foundation including within legal. I'll try to look for the
> >> phabricator task about it tomorrow. I think that's something that is
> likely
> >> to happen, it isn't easy though and requires a fair number of resources
> to
> >> be pointed at it to get it done so it's a question of priorities and
> >> convincing those who decide those things that it should be higher. I
> >> believe it's something, privacy wise, that legal would really like.
> >>
> >> I think it is unlikely in the short to medium term, however, to get rid
> of
> >> the IPs in the backend (in server logs and in the checkuser system for
> >> example) because the replacements just aren't there. I've spent a good
> >> amount of time thinking of a way to make the checkuser system as usable
> as
> >> necessary without revealing IPs for example (including a consultant who
> >> looked a lot but didn't really come up with anything we didn't know
> >> already). I think it's doable, but it would be a very difficult and long
> >> design process and I think it's unlikely in the near future.
> >>
> >> James Alexander
> >> Community Advocacy
> >> Wikimedia Foundation
> >> (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Kyanos <someanon126 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I don't believe a different license is needed. CC licenses can be used
> >> for
> >> > anonymous works: The author is not given and does not have to be
> >> credited,
> >> > but everything else (attribution of the work and share-alike) would
> stay
> >> > the same. So a change in the terms of use to the effect of,
> "Unregistered
> >> > edits are considered to have no named author," would be sufficient.
> >> >
> >> > Kyanos
> >> >
> >> > On 03/27/2015 06:41 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Perhaps we should move to a different licensing model for future IP
> >> >> edits. CC0 for IP edits would be a more sensible license for edits by
> >> an IP
> >> >> where in many cases no-one could attribute the edit to the individual
> >> who
> >> >> made it. If people don't want to release their edits as CC0 they can
> >> always
> >> >> create an account.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Jonathan Cardy
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>  On 27 Mar 2015, at 10:28, Elias Friedman <elipongo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It's actually required so as to provide attribution as per the
> Creative
> >> >>> Commons and other licenses we operate under.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from my Droid 4
> >> >>> Elias Friedman A.S., CCEMT-P
> >> >>> אליהו מתתיהו בן צבי
> >> >>> elipongo at gmail.com
> >> >>> "יְהִי אוֹר"
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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> Oliver Keyes
> Research Analyst
> Wikimedia Foundation
>