[WikiEN-l] Yet another PR company busted ... apparently it's all our fault

[Andreas Kolbe]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:28 PM, David Goodman <dggenwp at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is a  fundamental difference between our inefficient and
> sometimes unsuccessful attempts to do things right, and their
> deliberate attempts to do things wrong.
>


Yes, but we must not forget that PR people are not the only people who use
Wikipedia to do things wrong. By operating the completely open system we
do, we enable *anyone* to do wrong, be they PR or staff working for a
company, or a company's detractors.

The community is responsible for managing Wikipedia. And whether Wikipedia
is easy or difficult to abuse is the community's responsibility.

Andreas



> And there is also a difference, though a smaller one, between an
> individual's misguided attempt to fix what he perceives as injustice
> towards themselves, and a commercial concern's deliberate attempt to
> violate or evade  for money what they must know are our rules . Nobody
> can perceive whitewashing as proper, though they may think it
> something they can get away with.
>
> And we also need to realize that the more we stop improper efforts,
> the more people trying to make them will complain. Avoiding complaints
> is not our measure of success; avoiding justified complaints is.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Charles Matthews
> <charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > On 12 November 2012 16:30, Steve Summit <scs at eskimo.com> wrote:
> >> Ken Arromdee wrote:
> >>> When they say that Wikipedia's proces for fixing articles is
> >>> "opaque, time-consuming and cumbersome", they are *correct*.
> >>
> >> Well, yeah, but.  Right (sorta) conclusion, wrong reason.
> >>
> >> It can always be improved, but I don't think our "process" for
> >> fixing articles is *that* bad.  And, in any case, it wasn't at
> >> all so cumbersome that it kept Finsbury from whitewashing the
> >> article!
> >
> > The real point, surely, is whether the word "needlessly" can be
> > shoehorned in front of "cumbersome".
> >
> > Charles
> >
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