[WikiEN-l] Tag removals by readers (was: Newbie recruitment: referencing)

[MuZemike]

I've hinted for a while that for {{orphan}}ed and {{dead end}}ed 
articles, you could replace the manual method of using templates and 
categories with automated database reports that are much more accurate. 
But those could also be considered "sweeping under the rug", as many 
database reports tend to get neglected also.

-MuZemike

On 11/3/2011 12:58 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> That's a good idea as well, though some might see it as trampling on
> the stuff swept under the rug (making it less visible). But you are
> right that some backlogs don't really need to be visible to readers.
>
> Carcharoth
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM, WereSpielChequers
> <werespielchequers at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> For some of them why not go one step further and replace the template with
>> an automatically generated hidden category?
>>
>> Dead end, uncategorised, undercategorised and orphan could all be replaced
>> with fully automated hidden categories; no need for the adding or
>> subtraction of templates. Though we'd need a template or hidden cat for
>> unsuccessful deorphaning attempts.
>>
>> WereSpielChequers
>>
>> On 3 November 2011 13:00, Carcharoth<carcharothwp at googlemail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Andrew Gray<andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 3 November 2011 11:10, Carcharoth<carcharothwp at googlemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> safe and then move on". And then someone else, later, might fix the
>>>>> article during general editing without even looking at the tag, and
>>>>> not remove the tag, or might expect others to remove the tag (no,
>>>>> really, that is a common attitude among some people who prefer others
>>>>> to judge any remedial work they have done - you put the tag there, you
>>>>> should come back and assess whether it is still needed).
>>>>
>>>> There's also a widespread belief that "I shouldn't/can't remove them".
>>>> I regularly see emails in OTRS saying "I've fixed X page, but the tags
>>>> are still there, can you check it out"; I've seen it occasionally on
>>>> talkpages as well, though it's less common.
>>>
>>> Thank-you for confirming from your OTRS experience that this is an
>>> actual problem.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Both beliefs are helped by the fact that a lot of people honestly
>>>> don't realise the lead section can be edited - they use section edit
>>>> links, and don't realise that editing the page is how you get at the
>>>> "zeroth section" of the article. If you don't see the template when
>>>> you edit, you're less likely to realise it's a template to be removed.
>>>> - and even if you know about templates, if you can't figure out how to
>>>> get to it, you're stuck!
>>>
>>> Interesting. Hadn't thought of that.
>>>
>>>> Working on the assumption that there are people who want to remove
>>>> templates but are having problems doing so, one solution here might be
>>>> to build on the (excellent) work that's been done with HotCat, and
>>>> implement a "remove this tag" link on the template itself. Click this,
>>>> you get a little line saying "are the problems still here?", click
>>>> yes, and it loads-and-saves the change in the same way that a HotCat
>>>> category change works.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts? This would be one way to get our readers to do the triage
>>>> and cleanup for us...
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> In fact, +100.
>>>
>>> Carcharoth
>>>
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