[WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting

[Emily Monroe]

> Editors/admins who are regularly rude to others are not only  
> tolerated by most of the community, they often have a group of  
> supporters around them always ready to praise everything they do,  
> manipulating RfCs and other voting (sorry, !voting) situations.

Do you think that civility blocks and bans pre-arbcom will help the  
situation at all?

> If we want to make WP more friendly, we have to make sure admins and  
> high-profile editors are actually trying to BE friendly.  If they  
> can't handle that, they shouldn't be working in a collaborative  
> environment.

Exactly the reason why I support civility blocks.

Emily
On Sep 18, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Matt Jacobs wrote:

> Having been bitten multiple times, I can definitely say the unfriendly
> atmosphere has been a problem for a while now.  Editors/admins who are
> regularly rude to others are not only tolerated by most of the  
> community,
> they often have a group of supporters around them always ready to  
> praise
> everything they do, manipulating RfCs and other voting (sorry, ! 
> voting)
> situations.  A newbie running afoul of these people rarely even gets  
> token
> sympathy if they try to get the problem addressed.  The handful of  
> editors
> who try to address these situations have to wade through multiple  
> attacks
> and allegations just to try and do the right thing.
>
> If we want to make WP more friendly, we have to make sure admins and
> high-profile editors are actually trying to BE friendly.  If they  
> can't
> handle that, they shouldn't be working in a collaborative environment.
>
> In addition, I believe that templates are 1) often not worded in a  
> friendly
> manner, and 2) overused.  Using a template when there isn't a very  
> good
> reason to is going to often be perceived as rude, especially if an  
> article
> they've worked hard on has just been speedy deleted.
>
> If WP is going to continue to gain editors, it has to do better.
> Sxeptomaniac
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:36:24 -0400
>> From: Sage Ross
>> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting
>> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>
>> This isn't a new issue by any means, but here's a nice post by  
>> someone
>> who's been contributing occasionally since 2004, about how daunting
>> "wikibullying" can be for newbies and other editors who aren't
>> well-versed in the procedures and processes.
>>
>>
>> http://travel-industry.uptake.com/blog/2009/09/04/bullypedia-a-wikipedian-whos-tired-of-getting-beat-up/
>>
>> Unfriendliness is built into the system, even when admins and others
>> who enforce the rules are perfectly civil and try to be friendly at  
>> an
>> individual level.
>>
>> -Sage
>>
>>
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