[WikiEN-l] you have to improve upon it before tagging it for speedy deletion

[Emily Monroe]

> I'm quite active at speedy deletion and often decline  
> overenthusiastic tags, but I would disagree with making it  
> compulsory to improve a good faith article one tags for deletion  
> (though I'd be happy with something that encourages this).

I suggested this mostly for public relation reasons. "Well, we tried  
to improve it ourselves, but it still doesn't meet our standards.  
Sorry, but the article has to be deleted."

> I also think that many of our speedy tags and templates should be  
> rewritten to be less bitey and more welcoming.

While it shouldn't say "Welcome to Wikipedia!" for obvious (to me)  
reasons, I agree wholeheartedly.

Emily
On Sep 18, 2009, at 5:04 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote:

> I'm quite active at speedy deletion and often decline overenthusiastic
> tags, but I would disagree with making it compulsory to improve a good
> faith article one tags for deletion (though I'd be happy with
> something that encourages this).
>
> Bad faith I take as attack pages, vandalism and hoaxes
>
> But other stuff that merits speedy deletion ranges from
> autobiographies to biographies of pet guinea pigs. I count myself as
> quite inclusionist but I really don't see the point of trying to
> improve everything before its deleted. And even though there is a
> proposal on the strategy wiki to allow autobiographies
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:People_should_be_allowed_to_create_autobiographies
> , I think most people would accept that very few household pets are
> important or significant outside their own kennel, fishtank or stick
> insect vivarium.
>
> Where I do think we can improve things is in giving guidance to over
> enthusiastic new page patrollers, and in insisting that authors be
> informed. I agree it would be overkill to template someone 12 times in
> an hour to tell them that not one member of their pub's football team
> merited an article. But it does concern me at CSD when I spot that the
> author of a good faith article has a redlinked talkpage.
>
> I also think that many of our speedy tags and templates should be
> rewritten to be less bitey and more welcoming.
>
> WereSpielChequers
>
>>
>> Maybe we can make up a rule that says "Unless the page was obvisouly
>> written in bad faith, you have to improve upon it before tagging it
>> for speedy or prod deletion. Otherwise, your nomination will be
>> rejected."
>>
>> Emily
>
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