[WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting

[Emily Monroe]

> But of the people who contribute them, many can be encouraged to  
> learn how to write adequate articles and perhaps become regular  
> contributors. People who write inadequate unsourced promotional  
> articles can be simply rejected, or alternatively helped to write  
> good ones or at least realize and understand why their topic is  
> unsuitable and respect us for our standards.

But how?

> It's not the articles we need, as much as the contributors, with the  
> possibility of interesting them in working on other ones also.

True, true. I'd pick another contributor over another article any day.

Emily
On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:47 AM, David Goodman wrote:

> " the overwhelming majority of speedily deleted articles deserve to be
> so." -- yes, so they do. But of the people who contribute them, many
> can be encouraged to learn how to write adequate articles and perhaps
> become regular contributors. People who write inadequate unsourced
> promotional articles can be simply rejected, or alternatively  helped
> to write good ones or at least realize and understand  why their topic
> is unsuitable and respect us for our standards.  If one out of ten
> respond favorably to our endeavors, we'll gain 100 good contributors a
> day.
>
> What is required is the patience to deal properly with all of them,
> although only a minority will respond as we would like them to. That
> minority is a lot of people, and we need them. It is worth a day's
> effort,  to rescue for us one contributor and possibly their article.
> It's not the articles we need, as much as the contributors, with the
> possibility of interesting them in working on other ones also.
>
> All comments at wikipedia that include the phrase "just another "
> ignore the possibility of working with the individuals.  There may be
> common types of bad articles, but each has a person behind it, and
> there are no people who are "just another"
>
> David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Charles Matthews
> <charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Amory Meltzer wrote:
>>> I wouldn't exactly call that post "nice."  It reads to me like just
>>> another person complaining.
>> Actually this is not so much an example on bullying, but on  
>> _precisely_
>> why we have WP:COI.
>>
>> The hill has "five rope tows and seven ski runs". Is this an
>> encyclopedic topic? Not really.
>>
>> If someone has no personal stake in [[Kettlebowl]], they will no  
>> doubt
>> take the line that it hardly matters whether it is in Wikipedia or  
>> not.
>> If they do, they will take every attempt to delete in line with
>> guidelines as a personal affront.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
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