[WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting

[Carcharoth]

Oh, please post this somewhere where it will be more widely read! What
you said makes the relevant points so well and so clearly. But maybe
frame it as "increasing participation in Wikipedia", rather than
"changing the unfriendly culture"?

Carcharoth

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM, David Goodman <dgoodmanny at gmail.com> wrote:
> " the overwhelming majority of speedily deleted articles deserve to be
> so." -- yes, so they do. But of the people who contribute them, many
> can be encouraged to learn how to write adequate articles and perhaps
> become regular contributors. People who write inadequate unsourced
> promotional articles can be simply rejected, or alternatively  helped
> to write good ones or at least realize and understand  why their topic
> is unsuitable and respect us for our standards.  If one out of ten
> respond favorably to our endeavors, we'll gain 100 good contributors a
> day.
>
> What is required is the patience to deal properly with all of them,
> although only a minority will respond as we would like them to. That
> minority is a lot of people, and we need them. It is worth a day's
> effort,  to rescue for us one contributor and possibly their article.
> It's not the articles we need, as much as the contributors, with the
> possibility of interesting them in working on other ones also.
>
> All comments at wikipedia that include the phrase "just another "
> ignore the possibility of working with the individuals.  There may be
> common types of bad articles, but each has a person behind it, and
> there are no people who are "just another"
>
> David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Charles Matthews
> <charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Amory Meltzer wrote:
>>> I wouldn't exactly call that post "nice."  It reads to me like just
>>> another person complaining.
>> Actually this is not so much an example on bullying, but on _precisely_
>> why we have WP:COI.
>>
>> The hill has "five rope tows and seven ski runs". Is this an
>> encyclopedic topic? Not really.
>>
>> If someone has no personal stake in [[Kettlebowl]], they will no doubt
>> take the line that it hardly matters whether it is in Wikipedia or not.
>> If they do, they will take every attempt to delete in line with
>> guidelines as a personal affront.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
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