[WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting

[Carcharoth]

A good way to test friendliness is to edit logged out or from an
alternative IP, or as a new account (but avoid breaching experiments),
and see if your contributions get treated any differently. I've heard
from numerous people that there is resistance to new editing and
biting behaviour going on, rather than welcomes and encouragement for
new editors learning the ropes. Rather than get defensive, working
towards making the NPP culture more friendly and less bureaucratic for
new editors, would be better.

It is a balance between efficiently working through new page patrol
(NPP) and not scaring off new editors who may develop into good
editors, and who may be quite happy for others to take their edits and
improve them (but don't want them just thrown away).

Carcharoth

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Amory Meltzer <amorymeltzer at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't exactly call that post "nice."  It reads to me like just
> another person complaining.  The argument that an article about a
> non-profit can't be an advertisement is absurd.  I recognize that NPPs
> should on the whole be nicer to submissions from newer users, but the
> overwhelming majority of speedily deleted articles deserve to be so.
> I don't understand why anyone would feel so entitled about a
> submission to what is essentially somebody else's website.
>
> ~A
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2009, Sage Ross <ragesoss+wikipedia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This isn't a new issue by any means, but here's a nice post by someone
>> who's been contributing occasionally since 2004, about how daunting
>> "wikibullying" can be for newbies and other editors who aren't
>> well-versed in the procedures and processes.
>>
>> http://travel-industry.uptake.com/blog/2009/09/04/bullypedia-a-wikipedian-whos-tired-of-getting-beat-up/
>>
>> Unfriendliness is built into the system, even when admins and others
>> who enforce the rules are perfectly civil and try to be friendly at an
>> individual level.
>>
>> -Sage
>>
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