[WikiEN-l] Foundational rumblings

Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com
Fri Sep 18 09:45:27 UTC 2009


Over in the recondite if productive arena of WikiProject Mathematics, 
fresh eyeballs have been looking over articles in areas that retain a 
structure imposed up to five years ago, and not much liking what they 
see. Basically there were POV forks introduced in areas, to calm down 
edit wars, at a time when the "POV fork" concept was not so well 
understood. I remember well the relief with which User:Kevin Baas was 
given a sandbox for his treatment of tensors.

So now it doesn't all look so good any more. This cuts to fundamentals, 
because mathematicians feel that the topic sentence in an article should 
serve as a definition. For comparison, I looked at [[quantum field 
theory]] for a comparison: reads "Quantum field theory (QFT) provides a 
theoretical framework for constructing quantum mechanical models of 
systems classically described by fields or of many-body systems." So it 
tells you what QFT does, not what it is (unsurprising, with the jury 
still out). The mathematicians' take is clearly limited to areas where 
you can say definitely what something is (i.e. the domain of axiomatic 
definitions).

That being said, there seems to be the scope for clarifying how an area 
that is axiomatic should be organised according to our revered 
principles of summary style (WP:SS). There are numerous instances, it 
seems, where we have "menu style" in place of "summary style", i.e. 
different treatments according to taste. The foundational issue does 
seem to need addressing, and could cause quite some upheavals (such as 
we have got out of the habit of living with). It could be that we now 
accept articles with titles like [[introduction to string theory]], as 
pedagogic stepping stones. But neutrality means, surely, that treatments 
that are really "introduction to X from the POV of Y" are out of place, 
or at least to be seriously deprecated.

Charles




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