[WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

[FT2]

The problem is that while "long-standing" and "apparently reputable
author" correlate with "trust", they are not the same.

The perception that a measure of text source and historicity is in any
way a measure of trust, is a misconception we have to kill at root,
burn, salt over, mercilessly counter, and also impale all those who
defile it. And generally destroy it with prejudice.

Because we dare not allow that gadget to be misinterpreted that way
(even if in knowing hands it can indeed indicate trust or doubt). It's
very tempting, so people will, and they'll read it is in the media...
so we have to bludgeon home it ISN'T.

(There would have been a "graphic imagery spoiler", but we deleted
spoilers ages ago)

FT2



On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Emily Monroe<bluecaliocean at me.com> wrote:
>> ... and then, when the claim proves to be false, become angry and go
>> after the Foundation?  Not necessarily legally, though....  I fear
>> that if they make an assumption "this text is highlighted as high
>> trust, so it can be trusted", and are told that this is the meaning
>> on a help page, we could be liable.
>
> Yet another one of my fears.
>
> Emily
> On Sep 1, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Nathan Russell wrote:
>
>> I think there's a real risk here, to be even more blunt.
>>
>> Calling it a trust system risks someone looking at a piece of text and
>> saying "oh, look, this is trusted, so i can
>> -rely on this as advice before doing something dangerous/in making a
>> medical decision/etc"
>> -use this as my sole source in writing my college paper"
>> -take for granted the claim this text makes that a living person
>> cheated on his spouse (or worse possibilities"
>> -assume this means WP as a group/the foundation itself makes the claim
>> that *I* cheated on someone"
>> ... and then, when the claim proves to be false, become angry and go
>> after the Foundation?  Not necessarily legally, though....  I fear
>> that if they make an assumption "this text is highlighted as high
>> trust, so it can be trusted", and are told that this is the meaning on
>> a help page, we could be liable.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:36 AM, FT2<ft2.wiki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think there's a terminology issue.
>>>
>>> We cannot refer to this as a "trust" system, however "Wikitrust"
>>> brands it.
>>> We just can't. It misleads too many, and implies too much.
>>>
>>> Call it a "text tracing system" or "a gadget to highlight text
>>> origins"
>>> instead. It's a lot less glamorous, sounds alot less dramatic,
>>> doesn't get
>>> the dollars - but it's got zero capability of misleading.
>>>
>>> FT2
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:37 PM, James Alexander
>>> <jamesofur at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> How would the blame maps work with people editing around
>>>> vandalism? For
>>>> example someone either blanks the page or does extensive vandalism
>>>> to it
>>>> (especially over the course of a couple days or a couple users). I
>>>> would
>>>> imagine it would be fairly easy if the bad contributions just got
>>>> rolledback
>>>> but would the old blamemaps still be reinstated if someone went in
>>>> and
>>>> manually copy/pasted the old version (or something very close) in
>>>> or would
>>>> the system count it as a new contribution?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2009/8/31 David Goodman <dgoodmanny at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a little concerned that we are adopting a metric into our
>>>>>> interface without adequate testing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears we're not and Wired completely jumped the gun. There
>>>>> is no
>>>>> timeframe for release of this thing even as an optional extra.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - d.
>>>>>
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