[WikiEN-l] IAR

The Cunctator cunctator at gmail.com
Sun Oct 4 22:50:09 UTC 2009

hooray for godwin!

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:48 PM, stevertigo <stvrtg at gmail.com> wrote:

> stevertigo wrote:
> >> Are you're really just saying that IAR allows only the *good*
> >> dicks to act like dicks?
> FT2 wrote:
> > No. I'm saying IAR ensures that /if/ an admin wishes to act
> > against a genuinely problematic editor, wikilawyering ("but
> > policy allows what I did!") won't easy prevent them doing so.
> Breaking that down:
> 5) There is nothing "easy" about "wikilawyering." Blocking for
> "wikilawyering" on the other hand can be quite dickish.4)
> "Wikilawyering" is just a subjective ad-hominem (I'm alleged to be an
> expert, so I should know). Its an under-handed label that has meaning
> only because Arbcom is short-handed.
> 3) "genuinely problematic editor" is a total oxymoron (editors are not
> problematic), in addition to being a quarrelsome subjective, if
> "genuinely" is not [[well-defined]].
> 2) "/if/ an admin wishes..." has to be a joke: 'If and only if
> [anyone] really really wants to...' "If an admin wishes" cannot
> qualify as a definition.
> 1) "IAR ensures" has to be a joke: i.e. 'this caveat guarantees...'
> >  [if] policy has an unfortunate wording loophole,
> > you can make an indfividual judgment on it."
> I try to do that all the time, but my opposition in particular
> squabbled lately have *also* cited IAR to violate even Civil (an
> actual pillar). IAR only creates discordian paradoxes.
> > In a project where anyone can write wordings, the communal
> > sense of the spirit of a policy, and its pre-eminence, is quite a
> > significant thing.
> "Communal sense" does'nt mean anything -- the Nazis had one also. We
> don't let "wikiality" guide article development for a reason -- why
> should "wikiality" continue to guide policy?
> -Stevertigo
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