[WikiEN-l] News agencies are not RSs

[Durova]

I absolutely support treating the life of a Talib with comparable respect.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net> wrote:

> Durova wrote:
> > Agreed.  The challenge is to codify this in a manner that doesn't step
> upon
> > the slippery slope of censorship.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Ian Woollard wrote:
> >
> >> On 30/06/2009, Durova wrote:
> >>
> >>> Our usual BLP standards demonstrate respect for unwarranted damage that
> >>> causes hurt feelings, or professional and community standing.  Surely,
> when
> >>>
> >>> a human life may reasonably be at stake, our responsibility is to be
> more
> >>> careful rather than less careful
> >>>
> >> Interestingly, that isn't currently part of WP:BLP. I think it needs
> >> to be codified.
> >>
> >> Clearly, when the subject of the BLP's life may be significantly
> >> endangered, through no fault of their own, from information that may
> >> be widely published for the first time in the wikipedia, then there's
> >> a very reasonable case that it shouldn't be published in the
> >> wikipedia.
> >>
> If this is to be codified that could begin by taking it out of the
> already contentious BLP arena.  Endangering lives can apply just as
> easily to individuals about whom we would not otherwise have biographies
> at all in the first place.
>
> If the information was already published by an Italian and an Afghan
> news agency, one can hardly say that Wikipedia was publishing it for the
> first time. The whole reliable sources argument too easily becomes
> another way of pushing a POV when there are no guidelines whatsoever for
> determining ahead of time what is or isn't a reliable source.  What will
> be reliable in an era of citizen journalism when reports do not go
> through the filter of paid editorial staff, and the traditional sources
> of original news are no longer consistent with the economics of news
> consumption?  What makes tweets out of Tehran reliable? Is it merely
> because they support our preconceptions?
>
> If saving lives is the issue where do we get the arrogant idea that we
> are so important that our reporting will make any difference.  If we are
> smart enough to suspect that a person from Montreal with the name of
> Hechtman might be Jewish, it underestimates the Taliban enemy to suggest
> that they would not be able to figure that out for themselves.  Do we
> apply the policy even-handedly?  Doing so would require treating a
> Taliban life, or that of his innocent family member, with the same
> respect as a Western life.
>
> Ec
>
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