[WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

[David Goodman]

"We arranged it so that rules are extremely important and must be obeyed at
all costs--otherwise we couldn't use the rules as a bludgeon against
troublemakers"

Not for notability. We've never boxed ourselves in that much.
WP:N remains a guideline, and in fact says it will not always be applicable.

it's not a question of an article being justified buy Notability OR
something else. Hiding's proposal, which I have modified a little, is
saying that Notability is defined by either the general notability
guideline OR by other factors.  There's a tendency to assume that the
GNG is identical to the concept of notability; we could still have
notability guidelines if we removed the GNG entirely, or used it only
as a last resort if there was not other basis for deciding. That last
phrase is what I'd prefer, but I do not think there is agreement on it
, at least not yet. I do think there's agreement to consider
notability using both the GNG and other factors, co-ordinately.

David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG



On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Ken Arromdee<arromdee at rahul.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Surreptitiousness wrote:
>> Currently there is too much bickering and too
>> many people interested more in "fighting the good fight" than accepting
>> [[WP:IAR]].
>
> There's a reason for this: In a dispute, the side who can point to a rule gets
> to win.  If there are two sides of a dispute, one pointing to a rule, the
> other saying to use IAR, the IAR loses.  It's how we've set up the system.
> We arranged it so that rules are extremely important and must be obeyed at
> all costs--otherwise we couldn't use the rules as a bludgeon against
> troublemakers.  Now that we have placed such importance on rules, it turns
> out that rules can also be used as a bludgeon by rule-wonks.
>
>
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