[WikiEN-l] Civility poll results
Surreptitiousness
surreptitious.wikipedian at googlemail.com
Thu Aug 13 10:48:31 UTC 2009
Charles Matthews wrote:
> Surreptitiousness wrote:
>
>> Thinking of teh community as a "community", it suddenly makes me realise
>> I have no idea who the "community leaders" are.
>>
> <snip>
>
>> The episodes and characters arbitration cases
>> were instances crying out for facilitation, not arbitration, and the
>> arbitration that resulted really solved nothing anyway.
>>
>>
> It's not necessarily going to be helpful to import a lot of jargon into
> the discussion; but I note that a great deal of current debate can be
> summed up, not unfairly, as "the English Wikipedia faces an 'adaptive
> challenge' or three, and blaming the ArbCom has become a 'work avoidance
> mechanism'".
>
That's certainly one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it
is that it's impossible to get the work done because nobody currently
agrees on what the work that needs to be done actually is. It's rather
hard to work if all your work is reverted, and given that there is
dispute, how do we solve that dispute? You know, when you look at it,
our dispute resolution process doesn't actually work for content
disputes, because there is no last resort for content disputes. I'm not
actually blaming the arbitration committee so much as I'm trying to work
out a solution for the problems I perceive, hence me going on to talk
about facilitators. I can't work out if you snipped that because you
felt it was too much jargon. I don't really see any value in reducing
the debate to pointing fingers. Isn't it better to at least have a stab
at brainstorming solutions, and where people don't understand some of
the language used or perceive it as jargon, try to work towards better
understanding?
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