[WikiEN-l] Civility poll results

[wjhonson at aol.com]

Some would state that I'm not "assertive" which sounds positive, but 
"aggressive" which sounds negative.  That is, that I push the 
"assertive" approach too far into the red (if you will).

If someone gets insulted, I state that their emotion is misplaced.  I 
was arguing against their position, not their personality.  To say that 
your argument makes no sense, is not the same as saying that you have 
no sense.


-----Original Message-----
From: Emily Monroe <bluecaliocean at me.com>
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:38 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Civility poll results


>  I am an aggressive argumentalist and some take that to be
> insulting.  But being aggressive is not the same as being uncivil.

I think you're talking about assertiveness, not aggresiveness.
Semantical, I know, but still.

I think you're right, though. May I ask a personal question? What do
you do when somebody gets insulted? Continue to bluntly assert
yourself, or apologize and back down a little?

Also, I wasn't advocating a zero-tolerance policy. I wanted to make
that clear

Emily
On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:51 PM, wjhonson at aol.com wrote:

> I'll bite.  It's an ad-hoc way of finding out if there's something
> wrong.  Those who feel strongly, mostly those who got annoyed by
> someone biting them are going to respond.  The majority perhaps, who
> don't feel one way or the other, won't.  If 10% of the population
> leaves every month because they got bit, do 10% new members show up
> every month?  It's seems rather unscientific for such a group of
> eggheads to depend on a survey of this sort to determine that a
> problem
> actually exists that is worth trying to fix.
>
> On another note, "fixing" civility problems more than they are already
> fixed (i.e. policy and action) sounds a bit like someone is
> proposing a
> stronger policy that may end up biting even more.  I am an aggressive
> argumentalist and some take that to be insulting.  But being
> aggressive
> is not the same as being uncivil.
>
>
> <<On the point of a consensus that there are problems - is there
> anyone
> who disagrees, strongly, with the thesis that we have civility
> problems?>>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com>
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:59 pm
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Civility poll results
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> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Marc
> Riddell<michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
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>>> 2009/8/12 Emily Monroe <bluecaliocean at me.com>:
>>>
>>>> Marc IS participating in discussion here, so I don't see how the
> above
>>>> statement applies to him.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mostly his habit of complaining on mailing lists and actively
> refusing
>>> to engage on the wiki itself, where decisions about the wiki are
>>> actually made. They aren't made here.
>>>
>>>
>> David, you "lead" not only by insinuation, but by deception. The
> Mailing
>> Lists are the medium I choose to use. I am not looking for decisions
> to be
>> made here, merely a consensus that there are, indeed, problems.
>
> Marc, I understand your frustration, but the word "deception" and your
> butting heads with David (who is unfortunately rather agreeably
> butting back, as he is wont to do (shame, David)) were at least
> unfortunate choices of words and could be considered uncivil.
>
> On the point of a consensus that there are problems - is there anyone
> who disagrees, strongly, with the thesis that we have civility
> problems?
>
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> --
> -george william herbert
> george.herbert at gmail.com
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