[WikiEN-l] Civility poll results

[Emily Monroe]

> the arbitration committee have tended to take the view that  
> incivility alone is not a reason to remove the admin toolbox and flag.

Oh, I get it--precedent interferes with my idea.

> But yes, I've always followed Spider-Man, and thought that with  
> great power comes great responsibility.

This is exactly my point. If somebody has privileges, then they have  
that *much more responsibility* to act in a civil matter.

Emily
On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Surreptitiousness wrote:

> I don't disagree at al', but the arbitration committee have tended to
> take the view that incivility alone is not a reason to remove the  
> admin
> toolbox and flag.  Our selection process for crats actually seems to
> work very well, because they seem to handle themselves well, and when
> there is a problem, they tend to fall on their swords, which in one
> sense is a good thing.  I don't have much experience with Stewards,
> though. But yes, I've always followed Spider-Man, and thought that  
> with
> great power comes great responsibility.
>
> Emily Monroe wrote:
>> Hmm. What about somebody who has privileges?
>>
>> Clearly somebody who has non-admin rollback (like myself) may or may
>> not have it removed. It would depend if the person being incivil is
>> using the rollback to be incivil. Non-admin rollback is a position of
>> trust, but not a lot of trust.
>>
>> An admin, steward, or bureaucrat, on the other hand, may have their
>> privileges taken away. If you are in such a position, you're in a
>> position of not just trust, but *trust*. Incivility takes away that
>> trust.
>>
>> People may disagree with me, though. I get that.
>>
>> Emily
>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Surreptitiousness wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Emily Monroe wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's a basic reality of life as an adult that employees with  
>>>>> perfect
>>>>> work product but terrible attitudes are often terminated; their  
>>>>> own
>>>>> work is fine, but their presence disrupts the work of others.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I agree. I sincerely believe that civility blocks are necessary.  
>>>> Not
>>>> as a punishment, or a chance to "cool down", but as a way to say
>>>> "Your
>>>> attitude is disrupting Wikipedia, and preventing it from improving.
>>>> Come back in [12/24 hours/a week/a month/whatever] and we'll give  
>>>> you
>>>> another chance, and not many more."
>>>>
>>>> Emily
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I agree emphatically.
>>>
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