[WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Trouble in Ireland

[Alex Sawczynec]

So hang on a second here -- can someone please explain what's so
horrifyingly inadequate about the current state that things need to be
renamed? Unless something is completely disingenuous about the name
"Republic of Ireland," I'm not seeing a pressing need for these changes.
- GlassCobra

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Andrew Gray <shimgray at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2008/11/26 Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>:
> > I don't know whether this is a reasonable place to put this problem,
> > but the articles on Ireland on en.wikipedia.org need a serious look by
> > people with a neutral view.
>
> wikien-l might be a better location; I've sent this reply there.
>
> > Right now we've got a clique of about 10
> > editors filibustering and preventing any change to the article naming
> > conventions. It's driving us mad, and preventing the articles
> > themselves from being improved. Somehow I think we need binding
> > arbitration.
>
> Having had a look at these debates once or twice before (and a similar
> set involving the term "British Isles"), yeah, they're big and messy
> and affect a lot of articles. A resolution would be good for everyone.
>
> > A number of us think that the most sensible proposal is to move
> > [[Ireland]] to [[Ireland (island)]], [[Ireland (disambiguation)]] to
> > [[Ireland]], and [[Republic of Ireland]] to [[Ireland (state)]].
> > That's a compromise over an alternative, which is to move [[Ireland]]
> > to [[Ireland (island)]], keep [[Ireland (disambiguation)]] where it
> > is, and move [[Republic of Ireland]] to [[Ireland]]. If any of you
> > would like to take a look, please see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ireland_(disambiguation)#Proposed_move_to_Ireland
> >  and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ireland#Proposed_move_to_Ireland_.28island.29
>
> A quick summary of the background, for those who (like me) have to
> keep reminding themselves of the nuances:
>
> "Ireland" is a big lump of land northwest of France. It contains two
> political entities, "Ireland" (that's the formal name), an independent
> nation state sometimes known as "Eire" or (mostly in the UK) "the
> Republic of Ireland", and "Northern Ireland", which is a part of the
> UK. Prior to the 1920s, both were one and the same political entity,
> which occupied all of the geographical island; this historical period
> is described under [[Kingdom of Ireland]], etc.
>
> Currently:
>
> [[Ireland (disambiguation)]] - disambiguation page.
> [[Ireland]] - geographical entity, primary title
> [[Republic of Ireland]] - political entity
>
> Proposal #1 above:
>
> [[Ireland]] - disambiguation page, primary title
> [[Ireland (island)]] - geographical entity
> [[Ireland (state)]] - political entity
>
> Proposal #2 above:
>
> [[Ireland (disambiguation)]] - disambiguation page.
> [[Ireland (island)]] - geographical entity
> [[Ireland]] - political entity, primary title
>
> --
> - Andrew Gray
>  andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk
>
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