[WikiEN-l] A definite version of WP:CRYSTAL

[Jay Litwyn]

What do you want to call this data point? Maybe I can help you choose 
between news.wikia.com and future.wikia.com. If you write it, then what will 
you link it from? whatlinkshere is pretty important for traffic.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Bauder" <fredbaud at fairpoint.net>
To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] A definite version of WP:CRYSTAL


So how should we treat this from the Fianancial Times:

Merrill chief sees severe global slowdown

By Greg Farrell in New York

Published: November 11 2008 14:42 | Last updated: November 11 2008 20:06

The global economy is entering a slowdown of epic prop­ortions comparable
with the period after the 1929 crash, John Thain, chairman and chief
executive of Merrill Lynch, warned on Tuesday.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/834ebf5e-aff9-11dd-a795-0000779fd18c.html

What is true is not necessarily the underlying projection but the fact
that presumably expert people are saying these things.

Fred

> I have been editing regarding the global economic crisis. The outstanding
> projection is that (unless something is effective is done) the current
> crisis will result in a crisis similar to the Great Depression. That this
> warning has been repeatedly made is not subject to dispute, but the
> question arises as to the validity of the underlying projection. A more
> minor matter is the more or less reliable projection that the rate of
> unemployment will rise to 8% (or so) during 2009 in the United States.
> There are a number of sources for this. We report generally accepted
> economic projections. That is part of what economists do. To a certain
> extent the validity for our purposes of publishing depends on appropriate
> attribution.
>
> Projections of global warming present the same problem.
>
> The specific problem for Wikipedia is not publishing of generally
> accepted projections but of original research which often has little or
> no rational basis.
>
> Fred
>
>> == Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. ==
>>
>> <nowiki>{{speculation}} and {{prophecy}}</nowiki> are not welcome on
>> wikipedia. No articles about anticipated events are verifiable, because
>> anticipated events are not reliable. They are not reliable, because
>> they
>> are
>> not testable. Exceptional claims require exceptional references.
>> [[:category:Reliable Modern Prophets and Agencies of Prediction]] is
>> very
>> small. Forward-looking documents and statements should be restricted to
>> events that are almost certain to happen in the obvious sense,
>> considering
>> how many times it has happened in the past and the resources devoted to
>> making it happen again.
>>
>> [http://future.wikia.com/ Wiki-future], [[WP:IRC]], [[WP:TALK]],
>> [[WP:E-MAIL]] and [[USENET]] are fine venues for writing about the
>> future,
>> and it does not belong here until it is a fact, so look out for
>> sentences
>> that contain words like "would", "could", "may", and "might", because
>> they
>> should tell you what makes them likely, almost now.
>>
>> $continue with exceptions...no, because as WP:CRYSTAL is now, there hav
>> already been a lot of exceptions and that's probably why I ended up
>> with
>> so
>> much static when I tried to take the [[weasel words]] out of it. I'm
>> sure
>> there are people who took and take this policy by the name of the
>> section
>> heading, like I did. I don't know a more sensible and pivotal rule than
>> this
>> to divide wikipedia from the rest of the media.
>>
>>
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