[WikiEN-l] A call for moderation

Voice of All jschulz_4587 at msn.com
Mon Feb 18 23:28:48 UTC 2008

Right. I'd always been against the image per [[User:Voice of All/Image

It a) Adds practically nothing and is not informative, b) Is extremely
inflammatory. There is just no serious reason to keep it. I take pragmatic
criteria on this sort of stuff. I don't care what the Koran or Hadith say,
so reducto ad absurdem arguments about "ban all images of people" are beside
the point.

Jimmy Wales wrote:
> Tim Starling wrote:
>> What is relevant is what offends people here and now. This one image in 
>> question obviously does. It's a pity we don't have any representatives of 
>> those offended here on this list to mediate a compromise -- it seems to
>> me 
>> that both the people suggesting compromises in this thread and the people 
>> refuting them have very little understanding of what is actually
>> necessary 
>> to answer the objections of the moderate petitioners.
> I agree very much with Tim.  The Wikipedia way has always been to 
> attempt to find a common ground which is widely satisfactory to all but 
> the most unreasonable people.
> Here are two unreasonable positions:
> 1. Anything which offends me (or offends anyone) has to be removed from 
> Wikipedia completely.
> 2. Offensiveness is completely irrelevant to all editorial 
> decisionmaking and in fact anyone who mentions finding something 
> offensive should be mocked, and we should try to find even more 
> offensive things to put in Wikipedia just to show them.
> Fortunately, both are straw-men positions not advocated by anyone.
> So here we are in the middle trying to find a way to educate and inform 
> in a mature, responsible way.
> It is a shame that in this thread we do not have any representatives who 
> might be able to find a compromise which would be satisfactory to the 
> moderate petitioners, while at the same time fulfilling our general 
> desire to not censor Wikipedia.
> --Jimbo
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