[WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp

[Wilhelm Schnotz]

I hope you do understand that "fixing" the bots is not a simple task.
Is the research you mentioned availible in any way that we can make
use of it in programming?

On 12/29/08, Brian <Brian.Mingus at colorado.edu> wrote:
> Marc, your argument does not address the article I posted. In fact, it
> contradicts it. You say it plays into his "turf," but as I pointed out, the
> method pits him against himself.
>
> The future of vandalism bots on Wikipedia is *certainly* machine learning
> techniques. The question is, is the community going to waste their time
> contacting the police, or figuring out what it would take to get the source
> code and some funds from the Foundation?
>
> If I were a determined vandal, you could not stop me with the current bots.
> I consider the vandalism this kid is performing to be trivial. He is not
> even trying that hard. The problem is that the bots that have been put up
> against him are ruled based and he can easily lookup the rules. Vandalism
> and counter-vandalism is an arms race, but it is nowhere near as bad as the
> e-mail spam arms race as there is no financial incentive. Thus, simple
> bayesian techniques that are used for e-mail, and those described in the
> article I posted, will be very effective. The training set is monstrous -
> all of the tagged vandalism in the database. The method automatically
> escalates the arms race and nips each new technique in the bud as soon as it
> surfaces. Beating it will require a new breed of vandals.
>
> I say it again, contacting the police and the FBI is not the solution.
> Fixing the bots is.
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Marc Riddell
> <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> on 12/29/08 6:43 PM, Brian at Brian.Mingus at colorado.edu wrote:
>>
>> > Contacting the police and the FBI. It is an uncreative, heavy-handed
>> measure
>> > that does not solve the problem. It will not stop this vandal and it
>> > will
>> > not stop future vandals.
>>
>> I disagree, Brian. Dealing with him using the computer as the mechanism is
>> playing right into him. The computer is his turf, and the far-reaching
>> exposure is exactly what he's wanting. The computer setting is something
>> he
>> feels he can control - the authorities would be something he could not.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Marc Riddell
>> > <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net>wrote:
>> >
>> >> on 12/29/08 6:37 PM, Brian at Brian.Mingus at colorado.edu wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> This is preposterous.
>> >>
>> >> What is?
>> >>
>> >> Marc
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Sarah Ewart <sarahewart at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 12/30/08, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Hey, guys! This whole thing could go away rather quickly if one (or
>> >> more)
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>> the persons who feel victimized by him simply made a formal
>> >>>>> complaint
>> >> to
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>> police.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Marc Riddell
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I agree, Marc. I think we would find that most of this talk about
>> >>>> blocking the ISP, bots and so on would quickly become unnecessary
>> >>>> once
>> >>>> a couple of complaints were made to the police and he and his family
>> >>>> were dealing with the FBI or the police on their doorstep
>> >>>>
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