[WikiEN-l] Subscription idea

[Wily D]

I discussed this matter at some length with User:Danny a while back.
He was, of course, the point man in JSTOR's fight with the foundation
over [[JSTOR]], so his perspective might've been skewed, but we never
could come to an agreement as to whether JSTOR was doing this or not.
The user agreement contains some delightfully vague language which I
believe acknowledges that you can do whatever you want with public
domain documents in a fashion that prevents you from acccidentically
gleaning this.

How much, and in what fashion, they'd object to taking documents off
there that are PD, I don't know, but I suspect the only way to find
out would be to just do it and see.

Cheers
Brian

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 2:39 PM,  <WJhonson at aol.com> wrote:
> <<In a message dated 12/26/2008 11:33:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> mbimmler at gmail.com writes:
>
> "I  believe if you look into JSTOR's pre-1928
> documents, you will immediately  find that they are assessing dubious
> copyright" and "Could you elaborate on  this and supply a specific
> example?" could be formed in much nicer  words>>
> -----------------
>
> Although if you look at the history of this thread, you will see that I did
> ask for a specific example.
> Now that we know of this non-issue let's explore it a bit more.
> IF I take a photograph, or even "digitize" (scan) a print document, I own
> the copyright to what *I* have done.
> That does *not* give me an automatic copyright to the underlying work *of
> someone else* and this is the key point here.
>
> If I take a picture of the Declaration of Independence under glass at the
> National Archives, I gain a copyright to my image.  That does NOT give me a
> copyright to the actual underlying document that I've imaged.  If I take a
> picture of the Lincoln Memorial, I gain a copyright to my image.  Not to  the item
> imaged.
>
> My copyright to my image whether paper or digital, whether glossy, flat, or
> airbrushed.  Any derivative work based substantially on my image, in such a
> way as to deprive me of income from my image, etc etc etc.
>
> This, as I'm sure we're all aware, does not, in any way, prevent anyone  from
> taking SAID image (even), extracting all the text from it, and then
> presenting it as the original PD document (in plain text not as an image).
>
> SHOULD you not be so lazy as to actually get your own copy of said original
> PD document, I'm sure you'll sleep much sounder.
> I however won't be limited by that level of silliness.
>
> Now can we move on?
>
> Will Johnson
>
>
>
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