[WikiEN-l] dueling templates

[Todd Allen]

Ray Saintonge wrote:
> Brock Weller wrote:
>   
>> Trivia sections are not encyclopedic. 
>>     
> Bullshit!
>   
Aside from the fact they're not. Collections of random factoids are the
very definition of "indiscriminate information".
>> We require non-trivial sources,
>> and we shouldnt be one ourselves. If they dont fit elsewhere then they
>> are rightly dropped. 
>>     
> The only ones who believe that are so pompous and self-absorbed that 
> they have lost all capacity to determine what is important or 
> interesting to readers?
>   
Or perhaps they're right. But it's far easier to attack people and
speculate on their motives than actually argue against their position.
Also, there is a lot of information which is interesting and perhaps
even important, and still not appropriate for Wikipedia. I find the
morning traffic report important and the lyrics to Stairway to Heaven
interesting, neither are appropriate material for an encyclopedia though.
>> As for it being harder to re add them, good. Itll
>> keep them out longer. The harder the crap is to keep in the pedia, the
>> better off we all are. 
>>     
> So what you're telling me is that YOU are singularly equipped to 
> recognize crap.  Do you have any other jokes?
>   
I don't believe the person you're responding to is the only person who's
recognized that these are crap. (In point of fact, I can confirm that he
is at minimum one of two such people.)
>> You can thank us for the usable encyclopedia
>> later when you figure it out.
>>   
>>     
> Why should I thank anyone whose stated aim is to be destructive?
> Ec
>   
Editing is not destructive. Good editors cut frequently and ruthlessly.
You are not "destroying" a diamond by cutting and polishing it, you are
improving it.
>> On 9/7/07, Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net> wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Steve Bennett wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> On 9/7/07, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> If people/bots are doing that, they should be stopped. Last time I
>>>>> read the appropriate policy it said to integrate trivia into the rest
>>>>> of the article, not remove it.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> Yeah, trivia sections are "good" in the sense that we can quickly
>>>> identify material that needs a better home. Of course, sometimes the
>>>> material just seems too tangential to rescue.
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> I'm not opposed to trivia sections, and perhaps it is that tangentiality
>>> that justifies having such material in a separate section rather than
>>> having it integrated into the body of the article where its appearance
>>> may sometimes seem strained.
>>>
>>> Ec
>>>     
>>>       
>
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