[WikiEN-l] Harassment sites

[fredbaud at waterwiki.info]

-----Original Message-----
From: joshua.zelinsky at yale.edu [mailto:joshua.zelinsky at yale.edu]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 05:38 PM
To: wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Harassment sites

Quoting fredbaud at waterwiki.info:

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Pietri [mailto:william at scissor.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 06:08 PM
> To: 'English Wikipedia'
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Harassment sites
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> fredbaud at waterwiki.info wrote:
>>> The problem is the cases in the middle. What overrides NPOV?
>>
>>
>> I still don't understand what NPOV has to do with this. A link to 
>> edit a Wikipedia user's page is as shameful for MIchael Moore as any 
>> excess of ours. In a way, linking to it puts him in a false light, 
>> displaying petty bullying.
>
> The NPOV violation here is that in the POV of some of us, harassing,
> maligning, or exposing Wikipedia editors is a bad thing. More
> specifically, it is seen as the one bad thing in all the world that
> might merit link removal. Other people do not share this POV.
>
> Perhaps one could make an NPOV-friendly case for removing all links to
> all harassment, or maligning, or exposing of anonymous or pseudonymous
> people. It would be even more clearly consistent with NPOV to argue for
> a removal of all links to all living miscreants everywhere.
>
> Needless to say, I don't think those are a good idea either. I think our
> job is to give people the facts as best we can, while leaving the moral
> judgments to our readers.
>
> William
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Yep, your stawmen are indeed straw. You know they are not genuine 
> alternatives, just debating points.
> Fred
>

Fred, if there are strawmen above please explain what they are. I at 
least don't
see any.



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The statements you say are not good ideas. You are the only one suggesting them. No one is advancing them as serious proposals. You advance them as easy targets, straw men. I speak of
> Perhaps one could make an NPOV-friendly case for removing all links to
> all harassment, or maligning, or exposing of anonymous or pseudonymous
> people. It would be even more clearly consistent with NPOV to argue for
> a removal of all links to all living miscreants everywhere.
 Fred