[WikiEN-l] Fwd: Re: Missed Opportunities to have avoided the Durova Case

[David Gerard]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: SlimVirgin <slimvirgin at gmail.com>
Date: 27 Nov 2007 20:06
Subject: (offlist) Re: [WikiEN-l] Missed Opportunities to have avoided
the Durova Case
To: David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com>


David, would you or one of the other moderators please forward this
reply to the mailing list?

Sarah
>
> From: Christiano Moreschi <moreschiwikiman at hotmail.co.uk>
> Date: Nov 27, 2007 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Missed Opportunities to have avoided the Durova Case
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>
> Oh? I remain to be convinced. Why, then, did Durova think it quite
> alright to post her evidence to !! to this list? Why do we have good
> people, like Krimpet, being attacked on this mailing list? Why do we
> have two of our finest, Thatcher131 and Alison (now a CU), signing up
> to this list and then rapidly unsubscribing when they find it wasn't,
> after all, that it was cooked up to be. In fact, Alison memorably
> described it as chock-full of "bitterness, anger and wikipolitics". Oh
> dear.

How do you know Alison said this? Are you aware that she has stated
clearly she was not a member of the list?
>
> And why, then, did we think it quite alright to set up a bastard child
> to wpcyberstalking, wpinvestigations-1? This little list I know quite
> a lot about - I've seen some truly bizarre and quite terrifying
> conversations, including some posts that make you wonder how on earth
> something like the block of !! didn't happen a lot earlier. Sockpuppet
> paranoia, investigation obsession, weird suggestions for the CUs
> galore - it's got the lot, baby. In fact, Thatcher summed this
> wretched list up very nicely: "...unhelpful and possible dangerous
> development. Blocks and such should be
> discussed and documented on Wiki whenever possible. In extraordinary
> circumstances evidence may need to be kept private, but those cases
> should be dealt with by Arbcom, who were elected for that purpose,
> rather than a group of self-selected investigators who may lack proper
> perspective."
>
> Wikipedia is not a MMORG for SlimVirgin to play webmaster to.

Moreschi, whoever your informant is, they're not giving you an
accurate picture. First, I had almost nothing to do with the
investigations list and have virtually no knowledge of it. My
recollection is that I posted to it once, and that was recently to say
I had no interest in it. If it was more than once, it wasn't very much
more. And your description of the cyberstalking discussion group is
just plain wrong.

I'd appreciate it if you'd quit with the
SlimVirgin's-to-blame-for-everything meme that certain individuals
love to promote. Its only effect is to muddy the issues you're trying
to clarify, so it's in no-one's interests, except for the people who
grab any opportunity to attack me. I hope you're not playing to that
gallery.

I'm not a subscriber to this list, so if anyone wants me to read
replies, please cc me.

Sarah