[WikiEN-l] Citation obsession

[David Goodman]

There already is a way to prevent the uglification of superscript cite
numbers, that will work independently of skin or browser: use the
Harvard Referencing method, by which the citation for the (Starrling,
2006) refers to an alphabetically arranged list of references in the
reference section (which has to be entered separately, but its no more
work than any other way.   If you can word it as "based on Starling's
essay (2006),..."  it looks even smoother. DGG

On 4/30/07, Tim Starling <tstarling at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> John Lee wrote:
> > Quite a few editors have been taking our requirement to cite sources to an
> > extreme...whether this is good or bad, I don't know, but at any rate, it's
> > starting to seep into the public consciousness:
> >
> > http://bash.org/?757724
> >
> > <CtrlAltDestroy> Here is my impression of Wikipedia.
> > <CtrlAltDestroy> "There are five fingers on the human hand [citation
> > needed]"
>
> In most cases, the "citation needed" template {{fact}} has nothing to do
> with the need to cite sources. It's just an ugly way to mark a statement
> as dubious. It's a visible manifestation of that bubbling turmoil that
> lies beneath the surface of wiki articles, the turmoil we call the "wiki
> process". Like {{pov}}, or inconsistent sentences which express a point of
> view and then discredit it in the same breath, these things are a flag to
> the reader that this is no ordinary encyclopedia article.
>
> There has always been conflict between our need to warn the reader that
> what they are reading can't be trusted, and our desire for an ultimately
> clean and professional presentation. Over time, Wikipedia has moved in the
> former direction, towards bolder and more visible warnings, which is not
> something I would have predicted back in 2003.
>
> Personally I would prefer to see some movement in the other direction,
> towards clean presentation. I understand that uglying up an article while
> keeping your point in can be an attractive compromise to editors involved
> in disputes. I certainly made similar compromises while I was an editor.
> At least the use of templates should make it possible to remove these
> notices in bulk from published versions of Wikipedia.
>
> -- Tim Starling
>
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David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.