[WikiEN-l] Wikimedia Foundation sued

[K P]

Only the last part is problematic:

"There have been a number of complaints on internet message boards about the
fees that Bauer charges. Bauer is also alleged to have made legal threats in
order to suppress discussion of her business's activities, especially on web
sites. Reports of this behaviour are usually found on sites maintained by
people who claim to have received such threats.
[7]<http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:q77ZSufuJzMJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Bauer+%22Barbara+Bauer%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us#_note-1>She
is also alleged to have caused the popular website, Absolute Write, to
lose its Internet hosting
service<http://209.85.165.104/wiki/Internet_hosting_service>in
May <http://209.85.165.104/wiki/May>, 2006 <http://209.85.165.104/wiki/2006>.
[8]<http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:q77ZSufuJzMJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Bauer+%22Barbara+Bauer%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us#_note-2>
"

Only the last part is problematic, why are we quoting blogs making
allegations about somebody?  Teresa Nielsen Hayden should be specifically
identified in the text of the article, who she is, what her notability is
for saying this, and her page wikilinked.

We go over this all of the time in FAC, people need to included in-line
information, not just notes, or wikilinks, and all the time the repsonse is
that it's wikilinked so nothing else needs to be said.  BS!  An article
should be complete and defamatory allegations are only complete if they're
notable in the first place, and fully discussed, who alleges what and where,
plus the quote should be ATTRIBUTED to someone else pointing Wikipedia
editors to the notability of the person making the allegation, both the
alleger's notability, and the notability of the alleger's allegation.

"[American Science Fiction] writer and blogger [Teresa Nielsen Hayden]
([Making Light] on where it is served up) has claimed on her blog[5] that in
response to discussion of Bauer's business practices, Nielsen has been
threatened with legal action by Bauer.[6 source, where the Wikipedia editor
got the information about Hayden's blog, NOT sourced to the blog
directly!].  [Fantasy] author, [Victoria Strauss], and science fiction
writer [A. C. Crispin], who maintain a blog ([Writer Beware], on
[Blogspot]), have alleged on their blog[7] that Bauer caused the popular
website [Absolute Write] to lose its web hosting service[8sourced, again, to
the report that editors used for this information, NOT the bloggers
themselves!]."

In other words, DON'T use primary sources!  Or link to them so folks can see
for themselves, but they are not the information included in article, but
rather we use the report of the information.

KP



On 3/25/07, Ron Ritzman <ritzman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 3/25/07, Eugene van der Pijll <eugene at vanderpijll.nl> wrote:
> > Daniel R. Tobias schreef:
> > > Apparently, literary agent [[Barbara Bauer]] has sued a number of
> > > people and organizations, including the Wikimedia Foundation
> >
> > And it worked, the article has been deleted.
>
> # 10:56, 25 March 2007 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Barbara
> Bauer" (per WP:BLP article is a bloody disgrace. Full of 'allegations"
> of who said what on message boards . No mainstream media interest.)
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't that comment be in an AFD nom or
> is this another one of those "Danial Brandt" deletes?
>
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