[WikiEN-l] Thoughts on naming people - article content, this time.

[jayjg]

On 6/1/07, jayjg <jayjg99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/1/07, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 01/06/07, Steve Bennett <stevagewp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah it's a strange sort of category. I don't know whether it's Jews
> > > in particular doing it, but there have been some pretty concerted
> > > efforts to go around labelling as many scientists as possible "Jewish
> > > scientists" etc. I assume the intent is to promote or recognise the
> > > religion in some way, rather than to "out" the people in question, as
> > > the first post suggested.
> >
> >
> > It appears to be ethnic promotion. Look at the wranging over which
> > nationality makes it into an infobox.
>
> The two main reasons that people add to these lists are
> 1. Ethnicity boosting, and
> 2. Outing.
>
> Thus, ironically, the interests of Judeophiles and antisemites
> coincide here, which is what makes these lists so hard to get rid of
> or even conform to policy. Of course, their interests don't always
> coincide; the former tend to be interested in populating lists of Jews
> scientists and Nobel prize winners, the latter lists of Jewish
> criminals. You'll also see this dynamic in articles, with Judeophiles
> tending to describe people they are proud of as "Jewish" in the lead,
> whereas antisemites like to describe criminals, or controversial
> political figures, or Russian oligarchs, as "Jewish" in the lead.
>
> > Why aren't these categories being removed as blatant NPOV violation
> > and incitement to more? Is NPOV up for a vote at CFD or something?
>
> Because it turns out to be very hard to get these things deleted, in
> practice. See, for example, this CfD:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_12#Category:Jewish_businesspeople
>

By the way, on the latter you will note that four of the Poetlister
sockpuppets voted "keep".