[WikiEN-l] Another "BADSITES" controversy

Gracenotes wikigracenotes at gmail.com
Fri Jun 1 09:10:13 UTC 2007


Hey, didn't mean to send that (you can blame Gmail!) I could have
developed the ideas more, but the basic point is still there.

On 6/1/07, Gracenotes <wikigracenotes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hm. The only issue with putting the focus on the sites (rather than the
> context of the links themselves) is that we'll still have to act against
> links to random blog posts that make serious personal attacks
> against Wikipedians, and this would not be covered by the central
> idea of the policy.
> On 5/30/07, Slim Virgin < slimvirgin at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 5/30/07, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yeah, but that was my point. :)  As it is now, anything from MSNBC.comto
> > > CNN.com to Wikipedia Review to Making Light to ED to whitehouse.govcould
> > > theoretically be an attack site. I don't think it's appropriate for
> > any one
> > > person to make the decision. Anyone can put forth a site as one, but
> > if
> > > people don't support it...
> > >
> > That's an unhelpful slippery slope argument. For what it's worth,
> > here's how I would define an "attack site": "a website that regularly
> > publishes, or a large portion of which includes, the purported
> > personal details of editors (unless those editors have themselves
> > explicitly revealed the information); personal attacks; defamation;
> > personal threats; or posts that constitute, report the results of,
> > threaten, or incite harassment, stalking, cyberstalking, invasion of
> > privacy, or violence."
> >
> > Now, given that definition, I can't see why anyone reasonable would
> > object to a "no links to attack sites" rule of thumb. We don't even
> > link to sites that engage in copyright violation. Even when we only
> > *suspect* copyright violation, we err on the side of caution.
> > Increasing the readership of websites that encourage people to stalk
> > and harass Wikipedians, or that try to "out" them, or that publish
> > defamation, is obviously a much dodgier thing to do than linking to a
> > copyvio.
> >
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