[WikiEN-l] Fair use issues; we need serious help

[John Lee]

On 7/13/07, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/12/07, John Lee <johnleemk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I should think it would be obvious to anyone who has been in a few of
> these
> > debates about our non-free content policies that if a consensus evolves
> at
> > all, it will be definitely one that favours very liberal inclusion of
> > non-free content, simply because legally we can. There are also some who
> > don't see any conflict between our free nature and the inclusion of
> non-free
> > content that identifies certain things without any discussion.
> >
> > Johnleemk
>
> It would help if the people spearheading non-free image use cleanup
> campaigns weren't deletionists on the issue.
>
> By that, I mean that they took a look at things, and for example where
> something was properly labeled an album cover when it was uploaded but
> didn't have a current Betacommandbot-compliant Fair Use in [[article]]
> section, the cleanup people added the required rationale rather than
> deleting the image.  If there are licensing questions or issues,
> uploaders be actually told about it and invited to fix things first.
>
> Just today, I've had these two issues bite me.
>
> I have no problem with truly infringing stuff going away.  Making
> stuff go away because you can, when it is legal under policy but isn't
> labeled properly yet, doesn't earn you brownie points with me.


Yeah, that annoys the hell out of me as well. If you ask me, a lot of our
efforts in areas like logos and albums are generally useless because those
are the kinds of things where a boilerplate rationale will fly - they are
often usable under even stringent non-free content policies anyway.

The problem is that we don't have enough efforts in the areas Durin is
probably thinking of. I recall that insane argument I had with editors of a
Lost article that was virtually a gallery of images from the show - most of
them not illustrating anything specifically discussed by the article. These
are cases where deletion is secondary to getting those images out of the
article in question.

Johnleemk