[WikiEN-l] The Register decries Wikipedia's "censorship" via OTRS

[Steven Walling]

"And some of it is plain
old-fashioned foolishness, or perhaps lack of maturity."?

Thanks for failing to give myself and my arguments the same basic level of
respect I give you and yours Guy. It always works to attack the contributor,
not the contributions.


On 7/8/07, geni <geniice at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/8/07, Guy Chapman aka JzG <guy.chapman at spamcop.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:19:55 +0100, geni <geniice at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >The problem is that certain OTRS people appear to want WP:OFFICE level
> > >powers without either gaining community support or a board ruling.
> >
> > {{fact}}
> >
> > I am one of them, I know a lot of others, all we actually want is for
> > people to be prepared to wait a while for things to be cleared up.
>
> Being able to enforce this is office level powers.
>
> > Step 1: remove the offending material to forestall legal action;
>
> Um I suspect that may be problematical in some situations because it
> could be used as admission that there was a problem.
>
> > step
> > 2: tell people as much about why as you can.
>
> given the level of legal qualification on OTRS what makes you think
> you know what that is?
>
> >Step 3: when possessed of
> > as many of the facts as possible, proceed with caution.
> >
> > People are genuinely upset when Wikipedia says bad things about them.
> > Sometimes the bad things need to be said, albeit sometimes with
> > somewhat less obvious spite, but it does us no harm to demonstrate at
> > every point that we have listened respectfully to their concerns, even
> > if we ultimately dismiss them as baseless.
>
> Removing verifiable material is harmful.
>
> >
> > As with any trusted position in Wikipedia, isolation and burnout are a
> > risk.  Do be sure to be as kind and supportive as you can to the
> > volunteers, because there are barely enough to keep on top of the
> > flood of email, some of which requires a very great deal of work to
> > get to the bottom of.
>
> So get more people. En.pedia got seven new admins last week. How many
> have been invited to OTRS?
>
> > Or of course you could always stand on the outside pissing in, but
> > since all that will do is increase the siege mentality about which you
> > appear to be complaining I don't consider it a smart alternative.
>
> False dilemma logical fallacy
>
>
> --
> geni
>
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