[WikiEN-l] FredBauder"clarifies"onattack site link policy

[Fred Bauder]

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Adrian [mailto:aldebaer at googlemail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2007 09:47 AM
>To: 'English Wikipedia'
>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] FredBauder"clarifies"on attack site link policy
>
>Fred Bauder schrieb:
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Adrian [mailto:aldebaer at googlemail.com]
>>> 
>>
>> 
>>>>> The point under discussion is whether a blanket ban of certain sites is 
>>>>> a good step to take.
>>>>> 
>>>> It's a drastic remedy that cause almost as much trouble as it avoids, but is still justifiable. What the ban on linking to Encyclopedia Dramatic accomplishes is to scotch ready acceptance of that type of snarky dialog on Wikipedia itself. If we accept casual links to whatever cute meme on ED that strikes someone's eye, what we are doing is saying, hey, this site is cool. A little looking around at their entries on our contributors will soon demonstrate the hurtful nature of their entries and the absence of critical content.
>>>>
>>>> Part of the ban is posturing, very similar to our posturing on pedophilia. We have no way to prevent either pedophiles or drama affectionados from editing Wikipedia. All we can do is make a big noise about it. We will have snarky editors engaging in hurtful attacks on other users both on and off Wikipedia no matter what we do. So what is involved is more staking out a position than anything else.
>>>>
>>>> So it is very much a matter of saying and meaning:
>>>>
>>>> We will make every effort to support our contributors and to defeat attempts to harass them.
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> I fully agree, and I wonder why sites with attacking content, like 
>>> Conservapedia, have not been blacklisted already.
>>> 
>>
>> But you don't fully agree, You only raise a straw man. Conservative editors are welcome on Wikipedia.
>>
>> Fred
>> 
>?? Um. Yes I do fully agree... of course conservative editors are 
>welcome on Wikipedia, as long as they adhere to NPOV (unlike CP) and do 
>not put attacks on editors and links to other attack sites on Wikipedia 
>- unlike Conservapedia. It's not a straw man (that shibboleth gets old, 
>by the way), I'm just wondering why sites with attacking content don't 
>get equal treatment. What's the value of a selective linkban, when other 
>sites "get away" with very similar attacks? And what's the value of 
>Conservapedia's regular content? And what has anything of that to do 
>with conservative editors being or not being welcome on Wikipedia?

Essentially it's such a poor site, that it's not worth bothering with.

Fred