[WikiEN-l] False AfD Nominations

[MacGyverMagic/Mgm]

Start by educating admins and make sure that concensus is properly defined
as determined by arguments rather than votes. Than people can claim false
assertions all they like without them making any difference.

Mgm


On 1/31/07, Phil Sandifer <Snowspinner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We really need a good policy on speedy closing AfD nominations where
> the nomination contains obviously false claims and whacking votes
> that are just plain idiotic. Case in point, http://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Cyrus_Farivar_%284th_nomination%
> 29 where the nominator proclaimed that the article was kept because
> of the journalist's involvement in an Internet hoax. In fact, it was
> kept because this is a freelance journalist who has written for
> Wired, The Economist, and the New York Times. As anyone actually
> looking at the previous deletion debates would quickly notice.
>
> Equally fun is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Greenlighting_hoax_%282nd_nomination%
> 29, where we have people citing a disputed guideline as policy, and
> people declaring an article that's sourced to Slate (a publication
> owned by the Washington Post) as having no sources.
>
> I'm only mildly invested in the second as an article to keep around
> (although I think deleting the first would be appalling), but this
> kind of sloppy voting and sloppy nominating needs to stop. It's far
> too clear that people are voting without even looking at what they're
> voting on, and that despite our pretending that AfD is not a vote, it
> is far too often treated as one. (And don't even get me started on
> the latest and greatest bit of deletion DoubleSpeak, the ever-
> wonderful Categories for Discussion.)
>
> Personally, I'd support a speedy-close policy on any AfD with false
> information in the nomination, and a standard "comment removed due to
> obvious inaccuracy" template to put into place on the "discussions"
> for when people cite policies that don't exist, claim lack of sources
> where sources exist, or otherwise flagrantly decline to engage with
> reality.
>
> -Phil
>
>
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