[WikiEN-l] YouTube links

[The Cunctator]

How about we act as if it's true?

On 1/4/07, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Our own expirence shows this to be false. Go to youtube search and
> punch in some popular music.. Try "stairway to heaven" for example.
>
> The youtube upload page makes it quite clear that they are purely
> reactionary. They don't even bother to forbid folks from uploading
> copyright violations. Rather, they explain how they conform with the
> dmca takedown process.
>
>
>
>
> On 1/4/07, The Cunctator <cunctator at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/4/07, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 04/01/07, Erik Moeller <erik at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > > > On 1/4/07, Guy Chapman aka JzG <guy.chapman at spamcop.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > [[WP:COPYRIGHT]] makes it clear that
> > > > > ''knowingly'' linking to infringing material is contributory
> > > > > infringement (also that linking to copyvios makes us look bad).
> Given
> > > > > that many YouTube vids are copyvios, we can be argued to *nkow*
> that
> > > > > violation is likely, and looking the other way and whistling
> > > > > innocently does not seem to me to be exercising due diligence.
> > >
> > > > By that same logic, we ought not link to any site hosted on a free
> > > > webspace provider like Yahoo!, since many of the sites hosted there
> > > > contain copyright violations. I think that would be an excessive
> > > > position that would deprive us from many useful external links.
> > > > Moreover, many videos which are "copyvio" by Wikipedia's standards
> may
> > > > well be found to be fair use by US legal standards.
> > > > Use common sense please.
> > >
> > >
> > > Indeed. I've had POVpushers remove links claiming "copyvio" when the
> > > link-remover is working for the organisation that has failed to sue
> > > over the last nine years of the page's presence because they knew damn
> > > well they'd lose if they tried.
> > >
> > > The question with anything in the external link is: Does it enhance
> > > encyclopedic value by being one of the few very best and most
> > > explanatory links on the specific subject of the article on the Web?
> > > If it's video of the event that's the actual subject, it's relevant
> > > for example.
> > >
> > > For another example, see [[FLV]] - I removed the link to Adobe's Flash
> > > page (arguably too generic to warrant inclusion in that particular
> > > article), and added links to two pages reverse-engineering FLV
> > > (because they're actually informative about the format)
> >
> >
> > YouTube already aggressively polices copyright violations on their site.
> I
> > think it is reasonable policy for us to not try to do their job for
> them.
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