[WikiEN-l] WP:EPISODE

[White Cat]

Oh come on. TTN has stated several times that he is on a mission to remove
content. That is his driving factor - that has been his driving factor.
Collaborative editing does not mean people clean up the mess after TTN.

Consider a this case

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Article_guidelines&diff=prev&oldid=179232947
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Article_guidelines&diff=prev&oldid=179231031

How much was TTN willing to start a discussion? He was expecting others to
do so for sure!

Revert waring:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kracko&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Waddle_Dee&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whispy_Woods&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dyna_Blade_%28Kirby%29&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=King_Dedede&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francis_%28The_Fairly_OddParents%29&action=history

Blanking of a list of character article (twice)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Fairly_OddParents_characters&diff=179230699&oldid=179229908
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Fairly_OddParents_characters&diff=179228276&oldid=179226587

Prod of an entire list of character article (it ain't a stub):

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_characters_in_SRMTHFG%21&diff=prev&oldid=179229075

Take a look at this deletion nom:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/NiGHTS

How much discussion was there prior to the deletion nom to perhaps improve
the article? None. Other users have worked to clean up the mess TTN made.

He empties entire categories (by blanking articles) and later nominates them
for deletion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Captain_Simian_%26_the_Space_Monkeys_episodes&diff=prev&oldid=179070476
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:All_Saints_characters&diff=prev&oldid=179070442
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:All_Saints_episodes&diff=prev&oldid=179070423

I see no discussion whatsoever at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Captain_Simian_%26_the_Space_Monkeys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Captain_Simian_%26_the_Space_Monkeys_episodes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints_%28TV_series%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_All_Saints_episodes

If panic blanking of entire categories w/o discussion is acceptable then
you'd be right, sadly that is not so.

All this above is what I fished in the last 50 edits of TTN. All content
above are the result of edits between 19 and 20 December. I do not see much
evidence of discussion in any of the linked cases.

Once Arbcom accepts a case it should be willing to resolve the dispute. It
is obvious there is a problem. Arbcom could have at least made rulings
compelling people to work together.

     - White Cat

On Dec 29, 2007 1:19 AM, Ned Scott <ned at nedscott.com> wrote:

> It's really not fair to say that such users are unable to work
> together. TTN, everyone, and myself, have continued to follow advice
> about making more time for discussion and trying to help users
> understand why these articles are being removed, rather than just
> forcing the issue. This is one reason I didn't think the case needed
> to be accepted. The real reason this was an arbcom case was because of
> the very large amount of articles that were being redirected, and that
> resulting in a lot of different people getting mad. That's very
> different than trying different means of resolving the dispute. This
> situation is far from hopeless, and despite the impressions you might
> have gotten, no one wants to be at each other's throats.
>
> -- Ned Scott
>
> On Dec 28, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Majdan, Nik wrote:
>
> > Just FYI for everyone, this ArbCom case has closed:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Episodes
> > _and_characters
> >
> > I don't follow ArbCom cases too much but was following this one as a
> > frequent editor of the Scrubs TV series articles. I was surprised at
> > the
> > lack of an apparent decision in this one. As I stated in AN, telling
> > the
> > editors to "work collaboratively and constructively with the broader
> > community" seems ridiculous to me. The case made its way to ArbCom
> > because the editors were unable to do exactly that. Granted, ArbCom
> > doesn't get into content disputes, but telling users to work together
> > who obviously can't seems counterproductive to me. There was a
> > reason it
> > went to ArbCom in the first place.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikien-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:wikien-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Steve
> > Bennett
> > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:39 AM
> > To: English Wikipedia
> > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:EPISODE
> >
> > On 12/24/07, Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> It puts lie to the whole concept of "consensus" if a decision like
> > this can swing permanently one way or the other based on whether it
> > just
> > happens to be made during a week when not a lot of people are paying
> > attention.
> >
> > Not really. Consensus is a very loose concept. Previous "consensuses"
> > have been struck down on the basis that not enough people were
> > involved (notably, the merger of WP:V, WP:RS etc) It wouldn't be
> > unreasonable to challenge the consensus later on, if indeed not many
> > people were involved.
> >
> > Steve
> >
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